4588686 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 [QUOTE] Juvenile ! The only question I asked, and the one you have yet to answer in your jejune response was " You know this, how?" lol ed [/QUOTE] What was juvenile about my comment? That wasn't facetious. That's genuinely probably the best way to get a genuine response that will satisfy. Unless you don't really want to understand why people do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 [QUOTE] The lady dost protest too much, methinks... ed [/QUOTE] You are making it more and more difficult for me to justify to myself my decision to actually try to have a mature conversation. And your attempts to shame me are pathetic. I don't think there is anything wrong with responsibly produced pornography. Pornography isn't my thing. I personally have never been a great enthusiast of it. But if I just loved porn there would be, in my mind, nothing embarrassing about that. My not loving porn is a matter of personal taste and not a moral achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) What was juvenile about my comment? That wasn't facetious. That's genuinely probably the best way to get a genuine response that will satisfy. Unless you don't really want to understand why people do it. The puerility of your response is your child-like belief that your statement is true, sure you may engage in this but there is no way you can say with any certainty that any majority of people behave this way. You can project your ideals onto others, but you have no proofs that 5% or 95% of any group does this, this is something you have convinced yourself of and are trying to persuade me to believe it by sarcastically writing a juvenile post in my name. It would have been far more adult for you to have written, I make porno tapes for my use and I feel its normal and I think others do the same thing too, that would have at least be an honest and adult statement. ed Edited November 28, 2012 by Ed Normile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Hassan, and J-lol I still ask you noth " You know this, how ? You make all these assertations that "most" people create porn for their personal use, and Jlol opined that its a given that people have nude images saved ... etc. What type of people are you basing these observations on? Is this personal experience, or personal fantasy? Have you polled a section of the populace? By the way Hasan, German average salaries are just over 36,000 US dollars with a mandatory 40% tax witholding, sound good to you? And Sweden is a mess, the lowest average salaries highest cost of living and lowest youth employment in european countries, I would love to see your "actual data" to back up this fallacy of yours.[/QUOTE] Sweden does not have the lowest youth employment in Europe. It has the highest ratio of youth unemployment as compared to unemployment for those over 24. [QUOTE] Jlol I ask you the same question, maybe you can answer it, - You know this, How? I also have to ask how can you state people who do not engage in this are in the minority. This is immoral even for private use, it would be a scandal if seen by either a child or another such as a friend or family let alone the sin you would have committed by exposing another too this, the near occasion of sin for certain just creating it in my opinion. Of course a couple would refrain from sex in front of their child or family, but porn tapes and phone/computer media that would seem harder to control, come on get real my friend. Look Hassan and Jlol, I am catholic and I know morality and immorality. I have been married 27 years. I sincerely hope that the both of you can find a person that you love enough and one who loves you enough to be physically attracted enough to each other that you do not need external stimuli such as porno tapes or role playing or some other perversion of the God given gift of sexual unity to keep yourselves interested in each other sexually. That is what love is all about, not the hard body, rather the soft heart and the pure soul. Now I am sure that there are some who may do this perversion, you both have confirmed it for me by your positing it here and you seem so familiar with it I have to take your word for it, by the way thanks for that, thats the problem with the sin of gossip, its an evil that you need no proofs to spread that hint of scandal all you need to do is to say it and the damage is done. ed [/QUOTE] Ok. You're obviously more interested in making insinuations against my and J_lol's character rather than actually debating/discussing. This is why your sexual ethics are irrelevant and so few people here enjoy talking with you. You've here claimed that anyone who doesn't engage in vaginal, missionary style sex is a pervert even though plenty of these activities are not incompatible with actual Catholic morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 Look Hassan and Jlol, I am catholic and I know morality and immorality. I have been married 27 years. I sincerely hope that the both of you can find a person that you love enough and one who loves you enough to be physically attracted enough to each other that you do not need external stimuli such as porno tapes or role playing or some other perversion of the God given gift of sexual unity to keep yourselves interested in each other sexually. That is what love is all about, not the hard body, rather the soft heart and the pure soul. Now I am sure that there are some who may do this perversion, you both have confirmed it for me by your positing it here and you seem so familiar with it I have to take your word for it, by the way thanks for that, thats the problem with the sin of gossip, its an evil that you need no proofs to spread that hint of scandal all you need to do is to say it and the damage is done. ed :blink: say what?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 That is what love is all about, not the hard body, rather the soft heart and the pure soul. Sounds eerily gnostic to me. You don't mean it that way, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Hassan, come on. I never mentioned any form or style of any sexual act. I was talking about your posts on pornography. I really wish you could address what I write and stop trying to author posts in my name. You say I am making insinuations against your and Jlol's characther ? Creating sentences in my name says enough about your characther, it speaks volumes about your honesty. ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 What was juvenile about my comment? That wasn't facetious. That's genuinely probably the best way to get a genuine response that will satisfy. Unless you don't really want to understand why people do it. The puerility of your response is your child-like belief that your statement is true, sure you may engage in this but there is no way you can say with any certainty that any majority of people behave this way. You can project your ideals onto others, but you have no proofs that 5% or 95% of any group does this, this is something you have convinced yourself of and are trying to persuade me to believe it by sarcastically writing a juvenile post in my name. It would have been far more adult for you to have written, I make porno tapes for my use and I feel its normal and I think others do the same thing too, that would have at least be an honest and adult statement. ed I said that 'a great many people' did. I never said a majority or even a plurality. I did not write that post with any sarcasm. Honestly, you come of extremely judgmentally and so I thought I would help you perhaps broaden your perspective by both directing you to a place where you could get your question answered and by writing you up a query that wouldn't get you screamed at and dismissed right off the bat. But (AND HERE IS SOME SARCASM!!!) I do so very sincerely apologize for trying to help you. And it would not be more adult for me to have said your statement as I have never made any sort of pornographic tape. I've never claimed that I have and I'm not sure why you assumed that I have. My sex life is, I'm afraid, pretty boring and tame. Why you are so feverish in trying to reject my claims to not be an avid consumer of pornography and implicate me in pornography production I do not know but somehow I suspect that the phenomena known as projection may be at work here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 :blink: say what?? What ! Look Lil Red, you have made it clear you do not like me. I try to avoid your wrath but you seem to seek me out. If you read the posts I was referring to you could clearly see they were stating that many people create home porn videos and keep nudity on their cell phones and computers for their private use. They were making these statements authoritatively , so I must assume they have experience with this type of activity. I did not accuse them of this, they posted they believed this to be true and stated as if they had proof or knowledge of the validity of this fact. My whole point was how could they make such a statement as if they had proof of it. ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 [QUOTE]Hassan, come on. I never mentioned any form or style of any sexual act.[/QUOTE] You specifically mentioned 'role playing.' [QUOTE]I was talking about your posts on pornography.[/QUOTE] Actually, you spending a fair amount of time reading content into my statements and making claims about the nature of my sex life. [QUOTE]I really wish you could address what I write[/QUOTE] What have you written that I haven't addressed? [QUOTE]You say I am making insinuations against your and Jlol's characther ?[/QUOTE] Well you have twice now accused me of lying about my sexual practices. [QUOTE]Creating sentences in my name says enough about your characther, it speaks volumes about your honesty. ed[/QUOTE] What the floppy are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie-Therese Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Look Hassan and Jlol, I am catholic and I know morality and immorality. I have been married 27 years. I sincerely hope that the both of you can find a person that you love enough and one who loves you enough to be physically attracted enough to each other that you do not need external stimuli such as porno tapes or role playing or some other perversion of the God given gift of sexual unity to keep yourselves interested in each other sexually. That is what love is all about, not the hard body, rather the soft heart and the pure soul. Now I am sure that there are some who may do this perversion, you both have confirmed it for me by your positing it here and you seem so familiar with it I have to take your word for it, by the way thanks for that, thats the problem with the sin of gossip, its an evil that you need no proofs to spread that hint of scandal all you need to do is to say it and the damage is done. So you're saying that because a person is having a discussion on an internet website about the fact that certain sexual behaviours are commonplace in society, that the people involved in the discussion must, thereby, be perverts and degenerates, and obviously associated with other perverts and degenerates? This discussion isn't the problem, it's reactions like yours that are the problem. What you just did, Mr. "Hint of Scandal," is refer to me as a pervert and a degenerate. Frankly, that pisses me off. For someone who loves to crow about all their many years of marriage and life experience, it seems you haven't learnt the base lesson, that saying stupid things will not engender positive responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 What ! Look Lil Red, you have made it clear you do not like me. I try to avoid your wrath but you seem to seek me out. If you read the posts I was referring to you could clearly see they were stating that many people create home porn videos and keep nudity on their cell phones and computers for their private use. They were making these statements authoritatively , so I must assume they have experience with this type of activity. I did not accuse them of this, they posted they believed this to be true and stated as if they had proof or knowledge of the validity of this fact. My whole point was how could they make such a statement as if they had proof of it. ed http://dispatchesfrompangaea.wordpress.com/2012/07/07/604/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) What ! Look Lil Red, you have made it clear you do not like me. I try to avoid your wrath but you seem to seek me out. If you read the posts I was referring to you could clearly see they were stating that many people create home porn videos and keep nudity on their cell phones and computers for their private use. They were making these statements authoritatively , so I must assume they have experience with this type of activity. I did not accuse them of this, they posted they believed this to be true and stated as if they had proof or knowledge of the validity of this fact. My whole point was how could they make such a statement as if they had proof of it. ed so it couldn't be that they know of others with this experience? or have read studies? or books? no, it had to be that both of them were deviant enough to do it themselves. no, i don't like you. because you throw around baseless accusations like what I quoted. it sickens me that you then try to hide your behavior behind "What the Church teaches". Well, the Church doesn't teach that its followers be jerks. Edited November 28, 2012 by Lil Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie-Therese Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 What ! Look Lil Red, you have made it clear you do not like me. I try to avoid your wrath but you seem to seek me out. If you read the posts I was referring to you could clearly see they were stating that many people create home porn videos and keep nudity on their cell phones and computers for their private use. They were making these statements authoritatively , so I must assume they have experience with this type of activity. I did not accuse them of this, they posted they believed this to be true and stated as if they had proof or knowledge of the validity of this fact. My whole point was how could they make such a statement as if they had proof of it. ed This is the weakest argument I've ever heard. So, if someone sees an article or a news story on genocide, and then comments on it elsewhere, obviously they must be experienced in genocide to have an opinion? You're going to say that as a married man of 27 years that you've never heard mention of any sexual practices involving married couples filming themselves or making pictures? This has nothing to do with condoning the acts in question, you're honestly saying that you NEVER HEARD OF IT and thus anyone who made commentary on it must be some porn-addicted wretch? This is so specious and ridiculous on so many levels, I don't even know where to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Am I the only one having a hard time figuring out what is and isn't a quoted part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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