Somalia Libertarian Paradise

[CatholicsAreKewl]

You libertarians want no government? go to somalia lululul!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0

Edited August 11, 2013 by CatholicsAreKewl

[Ice_nine]

I'm on kayak.com but tickets to Bossaso are mad expensive. Can a girl get a subsidy fo dat?

[Winchester]

[Lilllabettt]

Somalia isn't a libertarian paradise per se - its an anarchical paradise, anarchy being a strain of libertarianism.

Ideological purity breaks stuff.

 

[Winchester]

Somalia isn't a libertarian paradise per se - its an anarchical paradise, anarchy being a strain of libertarianism.

Ideological purity breaks stuff.

Could you refer me to a libertarian anarchist who advocates warlords? Having read Jeff Tucker, Tom Woods, Roderick Long, Murray Rothbard, and Gerard Casey, I find libertarian anarchists oppose such means of gaining power.

[CatholicsAreKewl]

Could you refer me to a libertarian anarchist who advocates warlords? Having read Jeff Tucker, Tom Woods, Roderick Long, Murray Rothbard, and Gerard Casey, I find libertarian anarchists oppose such means of gaining power.

 

lol u nerd! u might as well link us a boring article with charts and graphs. 

Edited August 12, 2013 by CatholicsAreKewl

[LouisvilleFan]

Why bother going to Somalia? Just drive to Detroit.

[Lilllabettt]

Could you refer me to a libertarian anarchist who advocates warlords? Having read Jeff Tucker, Tom Woods, Roderick Long, Murray Rothbard, and Gerard Casey, I find libertarian anarchists oppose such means of gaining power.

 

advocate. oppose. ha. An idea has consequences unconnected to what its fathers explicitly advocate or oppose. Socialists don't advocate gas shortages as far as I know.

 

anarchism did not cause the collapse of the Somali government, but facts on the ground would seem to offer a pretty good test kitchen for the anarchist recipe.  After all, its one of the few places on earth where the "violence of the state" is no more.

 

Political science is usually harmless dithering; rarely does it break out of the books and mean something to reality.  Should anarchy ever make a run for it, we can look to Somalia to know what its promises will deliver.

 

Write on paper the ink may run, write on flesh the blood will run.

[Winchester]

advocate. oppose. ha. An idea has consequences unconnected to what its fathers explicitly advocate or oppose. Socialists don't advocate gas shortages as far as I know.

 

anarchism did not cause the collapse of the Somali government, but facts on the ground would seem to offer a pretty good test kitchen for the anarchist recipe.  After all, its one of the few places on earth where the "violence of the state" is no more.

 

Political science is usually harmless dithering; rarely does it break out of the books and mean something to reality.  Should anarchy ever make a run for it, we can look to Somalia to know what its promises will deliver.

 

Write on paper the ink may run, write on flesh the blood will run.

Libertarian anarchists oppose aggression. I don't see how replacement of one aggressive entity with another is a "test kitchen" for libertarian anarchism. The collapse of the Somali government was not caused by the pursuit of a society free of aggression, so it makes no sense to bring up a belief based on the idea that aggression is always and everywhere immoral.

 

There are a great many evils I don't expect the world will ever end. I accepted a long time ago the precept that one may not do evil that good may come. Recently, I stopped accepting that a special subset of humanity had access to actions that were immoral for everyone else. I don't expect to see many societies based on non-aggression.

 

Which libertarian anarchists have you read? 

[Lilllabettt]

 

Which libertarian anarchists have you read? 

 

 dude.  Went to screwl for comparative politics?  thats my cred for the intellectual snobs.

 

my guess is you don't see the delicious irony in the act of "reading" anarchists.

[God the Father]

Why bother going to Somalia? Just drive to Detroit.

 

[Winchester]

 dude.  Went to screwl for comparative politics?  thats my cred for the intellectual snobs.

 

my guess is you don't see the delicious irony in the act of "reading" anarchists.

 

There would be irony if libertarian anarchism were opposed to the written word. Which part of the non-aggression principle do you oppose?

[Jesus_lol]

Hasnt detroit not even so much as had a conservative government for the last 50 odd years? they are pretty far from being run by libertarians.

[MithLuin]

Cholera is not caused by libertarianism or even anarchy.  It results from lack of sanitation in areas in which the disease is endemic.  Lots of countries with functioning governments (whether dictatorships or democratically elected ones) suffer from cholera outbreaks from time to time.

 

But yes, you can get it in Somalia.  We have it in the US, too, it's just *extremely* rare here.  

 

Somaliland (the northern part of the country) is not so big a disaster as the southern part (where Mogadishu is).  You can get visas to enter it, and it's got some functional government in place.  Not...the same as other gov'ts, of course, but they do have roads there.  

 

Some level of chaos is good for society, but too much chaos just encourages crime and violence, which I'm not a huge fan of.  Unless we're talking about vampire movies, because I have to say that I prefer my vampires bloody rather than sparkly.  

 

 

[Socrates]

There would be irony if libertarian anarchism were opposed to the written word. Which part of the non-aggression principle do you oppose?

 

Anarchism might work in a world where every single person is actually non-aggressive.

[Socrates]

Hasnt detroit not even so much as had a conservative government for the last 50 odd years? they are pretty far from being run by libertarians.

 

Detroit is the liberal/statist paradise.

[Winchester]

Anarchism might work in a world where every single person is actually non-aggressive.

 

I'm glad your government has removed the need for prisons. Amazing.

 

 

Are you saying that the ends justify the means?

 

I suppose we shall abandon the concept of murder as evil, since people seem to keep doing it. 

Edited August 13, 2013 by Winchester

[Nihil Obstat]

I think the libertarian anarchic theory (or whatever you prefer to call it, Hasan) deserves to be taken seriously, rather than simply being brushed aside with sarcasm. It is not like any particular contrasting political theory works all that well in the first place. In fact everything else seems to work like absolute garbage. So give some thought to other solutions. Have some intellectual humility.

[Winchester]

The criticisms presented aren't legitimate. They're the equivalent of objecting to fornication as immoral because people will always fornicate.

[Era Might]

Anarchy works, just not as a permanent state of things. True peace is inherently anarchic, because it is based on no earthly authority, but on the claims of truth and good conscience. What we call "peace" is just a balancing of power, so it is not anarchic.

 

Anarchy is always necessary, keeping society on its toes, building settlements on the margins of society (to use an Israeli-Palestinian metaphor).