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You libertarians want no government? go to somalia lululul!

 

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Somalia isn't a libertarian paradise per se - its an anarchical paradise, anarchy being a strain of libertarianism.

Ideological purity breaks stuff.

 

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Somalia isn't a libertarian paradise per se - its an anarchical paradise, anarchy being a strain of libertarianism.

Ideological purity breaks stuff.

Could you refer me to a libertarian anarchist who advocates warlords? Having read Jeff Tucker, Tom Woods, Roderick Long, Murray Rothbard, and Gerard Casey, I find libertarian anarchists oppose such means of gaining power.

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Could you refer me to a libertarian anarchist who advocates warlords? Having read Jeff Tucker, Tom Woods, Roderick Long, Murray Rothbard, and Gerard Casey, I find libertarian anarchists oppose such means of gaining power.

 

lol u nerd! u might as well link us a boring article with charts and graphs. 

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Could you refer me to a libertarian anarchist who advocates warlords? Having read Jeff Tucker, Tom Woods, Roderick Long, Murray Rothbard, and Gerard Casey, I find libertarian anarchists oppose such means of gaining power.

 

advocate. oppose. ha. An idea has consequences unconnected to what its fathers explicitly advocate or oppose. Socialists don't advocate gas shortages as far as I know.

 

anarchism did not cause the collapse of the Somali government, but facts on the ground would seem to offer a pretty good test kitchen for the anarchist recipe.  After all, its one of the few places on earth where the "violence of the state" is no more.

 

Political science is usually harmless dithering; rarely does it break out of the books and mean something to reality.  Should anarchy ever make a run for it, we can look to Somalia to know what its promises will deliver.

 

Write on paper the ink may run, write on flesh the blood will run.

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advocate. oppose. ha. An idea has consequences unconnected to what its fathers explicitly advocate or oppose. Socialists don't advocate gas shortages as far as I know.

 

anarchism did not cause the collapse of the Somali government, but facts on the ground would seem to offer a pretty good test kitchen for the anarchist recipe.  After all, its one of the few places on earth where the "violence of the state" is no more.

 

Political science is usually harmless dithering; rarely does it break out of the books and mean something to reality.  Should anarchy ever make a run for it, we can look to Somalia to know what its promises will deliver.

 

Write on paper the ink may run, write on flesh the blood will run.

Libertarian anarchists oppose aggression. I don't see how replacement of one aggressive entity with another is a "test kitchen" for libertarian anarchism. The collapse of the Somali government was not caused by the pursuit of a society free of aggression, so it makes no sense to bring up a belief based on the idea that aggression is always and everywhere immoral.

 

There are a great many evils I don't expect the world will ever end. I accepted a long time ago the precept that one may not do evil that good may come. Recently, I stopped accepting that a special subset of humanity had access to actions that were immoral for everyone else. I don't expect to see many societies based on non-aggression.

 

Which libertarian anarchists have you read? 

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Which libertarian anarchists have you read? 

 

 dude.  Went to screwl for comparative politics?  thats my cred for the intellectual snobs.

 

my guess is you don't see the delicious irony in the act of "reading" anarchists.

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 dude.  Went to screwl for comparative politics?  thats my cred for the intellectual snobs.

 

my guess is you don't see the delicious irony in the act of "reading" anarchists.

 

There would be irony if libertarian anarchism were opposed to the written word. Which part of the non-aggression principle do you oppose?

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Hasnt detroit not even so much as had a conservative government for the last 50 odd years? they are pretty far from being run by libertarians.

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Cholera is not caused by libertarianism or even anarchy.  It results from lack of sanitation in areas in which the disease is endemic.  Lots of countries with functioning governments (whether dictatorships or democratically elected ones) suffer from cholera outbreaks from time to time.

 

But yes, you can get it in Somalia.  We have it in the US, too, it's just *extremely* rare here.  

 

Somaliland (the northern part of the country) is not so big a disaster as the southern part (where Mogadishu is).  You can get visas to enter it, and it's got some functional government in place.  Not...the same as other gov'ts, of course, but they do have roads there.  

 

Some level of chaos is good for society, but too much chaos just encourages crime and violence, which I'm not a huge fan of.  Unless we're talking about vampire movies, because I have to say that I prefer my vampires bloody rather than sparkly.  

 

 

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There would be irony if libertarian anarchism were opposed to the written word. Which part of the non-aggression principle do you oppose?

 

Anarchism might work in a world where every single person is actually non-aggressive.

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