Figures...

[Paladin D]

[url="http://www.catholic.org/cathcom/national_story.php?id=8101"]http://www.catholic.org/cathcom/national_story.php?id=8101[/url]

[azaelia]

[le sigh] Cop out

[Mickey's_Girl]

Forgive my ignorance: it "figures" because of the person quoted in the story? Or because catholic.org isn't orthodox?

MG

[Aloysius]

i think "it figures" that people will continue to refuse to take a stand to defend Sacred Truth.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Mickey's_Girl' date='Jun 2 2004, 07:12 PM'] Forgive my ignorance: it "figures" because of the person quoted in the story? Or because catholic.org isn't orthodox?

MG [/quote]
It figures because the Cardinal of Washington has no spine.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jun 2 2004, 08:10 PM'] It figures because the Cardinal of Washington has no spine. [/quote]
basically what i said only less sugar-coating. hehe.

[Fides_et_Ratio]

I'm going to play devil's advocate and say I agree with what was said in the article.

The Mass is not about confrontation. If a politian wants to stain his soul with damnation, then so be it. The priest is holding the savior of the world in his hands... do you want to risk a fight at the altar or further profanation (is that a word?) of the Sacrament? Angry politians could do worse than consume the Eucharist. At least they're consuming it, and not saving it in a pocket or something.

In Corinthians, Paul tells us to EXAMINE OURSELVES before partaking.










However, all that said, when "big" politians like Kerry go to a Church, the priest knows beforehand, and would be able to avoid even having to deny Kerry the Eucharist by saying upfront point blank, "You are not permitted to receive the Eucharist in this Church. Don't like it? Go to Confession or go somewhere else!"

That said, Kerry goes to a rather liberal parish by all standards and I'd be curious to investigate whether the consecration is actually valid.

[mamalove]

Yeah, I kinda agree with the bishop. But, I think the big problem here is that these people [b]should[/b][b]not[/b] even be presenting themselves for Communion. They just know better!! It is no secret what the Church teaches on abortion and how serious a matter it is. If these politicians have any decency and respect, they would first have a conversion, but if that isn't gonna happen, respect the laws of the Church which they all claim to love.

[Oik]

Here's the deal, confrontations at the Mass are inappropriate and presenting your self for communion while publicly in defience (sp) of church teaching is scandalous.

So are priests to deny communion? That is up to them. As an individual and as a catholic I think I do well to never speak against priests, bishops, cardinals, arch bishops, the pope, etc.

Either way, pray for saints and sinners.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 2 2004, 08:26 PM'] i think "it figures" that people will continue to refuse to take a stand to defend Sacred Truth. [/quote]
Thats what I met.

[jasJis]

[quote name='Oik' date='Jun 2 2004, 11:33 PM'] Here's the deal, confrontations at the Mass are inappropriate and presenting your self for communion while publicly in defience (sp) of church teaching is scandalous.

So are priests to deny communion? That is up to them. As an individual and as a catholic I think I do well to never speak against priests, bishops, cardinals, arch bishops, the pope, etc.

Either way, pray for saints and sinners. [/quote]
Amen brother! I agree 100%. Two wrongs don't make a right. When high-profile people like Kerry promote abortion and then ask for the Eucharist, he offends the congregation and the priest by putting them in a bad spot. He also is causing scandal and weakening faith by causing a scene or distraction by going up for the Eucharist.

[Dusty Fro]

I think a "confrontation at the alter" would be extremely disruptive and ruin the sacredness of communion. If a politician knows that the Church doesn't want him to participate in communion because of his unrepentant sin, and still goes up for it, well that's a mark on his character and soul.

[the lumberjack]

just skip em...what are they gonna do?!!?! get all rowdy?

psh...

or, give them a "see me after mass" note.

punks...that'll show their bloodstained hands.

[p0lar_bear]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jun 2 2004, 10:10 PM'] It figures because the Cardinal of Washington has no spine. [/quote]
At least try to avoid blatant disrespect for a prince of the Church.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Jun 3 2004, 04:20 AM'] just skip em...what are they gonna do?!!?! get all rowdy?

psh...

or, give them a "see me after mass" note.

punks...that'll show their bloodstained hands. [/quote]


True, but. I would think a priest would only deny communion if the person had the explicit intent of desecrating the Eucharist. Else, I think it really is on that persons soul if they take communion. It really is between them and God. Their judgement, not mine.

[cmotherofpirl]

Yes but to see a smiling Mr Kerry go to Commuinion and then go vote to kill children is a scandal and a grave offense to everyone else out there who obeys the rules.
St Pauls says we are the Body of Christ, ,and if one suffers we all suffer. Mr Kerry makes me suffer.!

[Quietfire]

Agreed.

As a catholic, one has a responsibility to uphold the sanctity of the Church and Mass in particular.
You, as a catholic, represent the Catholic Church.
Its one thing to hide in the house during lent, telling people you gave up sweets, and scarfing down a Snickers bar.
Its another to publicly go against the teachings of the faith, and then stand at the alter to receive communion.

Both ways you go against God.
But the latter can be so much more damning to the faith, since you are on 'display', so to speak.
That is why you are to examine yourself before each and every time you receive communion, and if your soul be stained, take it up with God.

Again, I have stated this before...Being Catholic is so much more than running around with a rosary and eating a wafer. You are a representative of God, the faith, and the true church. So many fail to see that, and as a result, fail in their responsibility.

As a Catholic...what you do, what you say..others see...but most important..God knows.



Peace.

Edited June 3, 2004 by Quietfire

[ilovechrist]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Jun 3 2004, 04:20 AM'] just skip em...what are they gonna do?!!?! get all rowdy? [/quote]
most of them--yes.

cmom--i completely agree with your statement.

[theculturewarrior]

One thing I think has been overlooked, and forgive me, I'm relying on shaky uninformed memory here...but I think that priests have a right, and indeed, perhaps according to canon law, the word is "duty," to withhold the Eucharist from notorious sinners. John Kerry is a notorious sinner.

But, we're not in the driver's seat. Rather than cause our own scandal by complaining on internet forums, we should be praying for John Kerry and more importantly, for the Church, the priest and bishops of the world but especially our own diocese. That's the only way we're going to lick this problem.

[azaelia]

[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Jun 3 2004, 01:36 PM'] But, we're not in the driver's seat. Rather than cause our own scandal by complaining on internet forums, we should be praying for John Kerry and more importantly, for the Church, the priest and bishops of the world but especially our own diocese. That's the only way we're going to lick this problem. [/quote]
Word.