Are Heels Immodest?

[the171]

do they make a woman's calves too sumptuous for men?

[John Ryan]

They are pretty. Why turn every beauty in the world into something sinful? Such is a sad way to go about living one's life.

[Selah]

Wut

[mortify ii]

I think given the times there is a certain worldliness we can enjoy. Outside of Church I share more of a liberal attitude towards female modesty. I personally like that my significant other can put on a sultry dress when we go out. We are so desensitized that such things have really little impact on men these days. 

[Credo in Deum]

We are so desensitized that such things have really little impact on men these days. 

 

How exactly have you come to such a conclusion?  

[chrysostom]

When I look at feet in heels I generally think "ow"

 

see what i did there?

Edited June 18, 2014 by chrysostom

[HisChildForever]

I think given the times there is a certain worldliness we can enjoy. Outside of Church I share more of a liberal attitude towards female modesty. I personally like that my significant other can put on a sultry dress when we go out. We are so desensitized that such things have really little impact on men these days. 

 

Honestly did not expect this kind of response from you.  :shock:

 

(edit for typo.)

Edited June 18, 2014 by HisChildForever

[truthfinder]

I don't know... they seem to make men's calves look pretty sumptuous too

 

[PhuturePriest]

Back in the good ol' days, it was the men who wore the heels to show off their sumptuous calves. The ladies LOVED muscular calves back then. Unfortunately, we shifted all the weight of being sexually attractive to women, but in recent times society is trying to balance it back out with manscaping and Benedict Cumberbatch.

[Ice_nine]

I think given the times there is a certain worldliness we can enjoy. Outside of Church I share more of a liberal attitude towards female modesty. I personally like that my significant other can put on a sultry dress when we go out. We are so desensitized that such things have really little impact on men these days. 

 

Sarcasm?

 

And the the OP, yes. Unequivocally yes.

[mortify ii]

No, I'm being quite serious. I know I have a tendency to be quite conservative, and it's true in the sacred sphere and where God's rights are concerned I fully and emphatically believe we need utmost reverence and respect to our ancestors, in the secular sphere and our daily interactions, I'm somewhat more open minded I guess you could say. I'm not saying I'm right, in fact I'm probably revealing a bit of my weakness here, but if on a night out to the City and the situation calls for it, I would prefer the person I'm with to wear something more stimulating albeit still classy than walking around like a prude. Sorry, but I'm not from Nebraska! And yes, I think men are desensitized because of all that we have been exposed to. Seeing an attractive leg might make me take a double look, maybe even stir the passions for a moment, but it wont break my chastity (it takes a lot more to do that!) No as for our counterparts in Saudi who do not even see the face of women or regularly engage with the opposite sex, I would image even the hint of a well shaped ankle might lead them down the dark path! So yes, at times I am a bit more open to stretching the laws outside of the sacred sphere, and that's a very human thing to do, and not saying I'm right. And no, the sight of a calf is not too sumptuous for a man unless you're from a really conservative place like Saudi Arabia or Nebraska. 

Edited June 18, 2014 by mortify ii

[Kateri89]

Lol idk if this is supposed to be a serious thread or not but I think heels are fine. It's when women wear those stripper heels with straps from practically the knee down that I think it's distasteful. Not necessarily too 'sumptuous' for men but kinda trashy looking.

[Ash Wednesday]

 

 

Sumptuous legs, nom nom nom

[Perigrina]

I do not understand why Benedict Cumberbatch is supposed to be so attractive.

[MIKolbe]

If all you are wearing are heels, then yes that is immodest.

[Credo in Deum]

No, I'm being quite serious. I know I have a tendency to be quite conservative, and it's true in the sacred sphere and where God's rights are concerned I fully and emphatically believe we need utmost reverence and respect to our ancestors, in the secular sphere and our daily interactions, I'm somewhat more open minded I guess you could say. I'm not saying I'm right, in fact I'm probably revealing a bit of my weakness here, but if on a night out to the City and the situation calls for it, I would prefer the person I'm with to wear something more stimulating albeit still classy than walking around like a prude. Sorry, but I'm not from Nebraska! And yes, I think men are desensitized because of all that we have been exposed to. Seeing an attractive leg might make me take a double look, maybe even stir the passions for a moment, but it wont break my chastity (it takes a lot more to do that!) No as for our counterparts in Saudi who do not even see the face of women or regularly engage with the opposite sex, I would image even the hint of a well shaped ankle might lead them down the dark path! So yes, at times I am a bit more open to stretching the laws outside of the sacred sphere, and that's a very human thing to do, and not saying I'm right. And no, the sight of a calf is not too sumptuous for a man unless you're from a really conservative place like Saudi Arabia or Nebraska. 

 

I find this to be a very interesting response.  At what point does the human person go from the sacred sphere to the secular sphere?  When are God's rights of no concern? Furthermore do you think because you're "desensitized" that this lets you speak for all men?  Also do you view this type of desensitization as a sign of "progress" for men and society?

 

OP:  It depends on the heels and the rest of the outfit. 

[mortify ii]

I find this to be a very interesting response.  At what point does the human person go from the sacred sphere to the secular sphere?  When are God's rights of no concern? Furthermore do you think because you're "desensitized" that this lets you speak for all men?  Also do you view this type of desensitization as a sign of "progress" for men and society?

 

 

Yes, space and time are heterogeneous, where the Sacred is present and when Sacred past acts of God are made present can not be equated to our ordinary or profane time and space. So when we enter through the portal of a Church we are entering into a different world, where the barrier between heaven and earth becomes very thin and at times non-existent. In our desacralized Western world where we basically have lost any sense of the Sacred, this seems very bizarre, and the fact that most Churches no longer have signs and symbols to aid the elevation of the mind and heart towards these heavenly matters only makes understanding and believing this all the more difficult. So in the confines of Sacred space, Sacred time, and Sacred ritual it behooves men and women to act as if they are in the literal presence of God. When the theophany of the burning bush had occurred Moses was ordered to remove his shoes for he as entering sacred space, and the same order was made when the Archangel Michael made himself present to Joshua. There is a certain act, behavior, and decorum that is absolutely required in the real presence of God that is different from the ordinary spiritual presence of our every day lives. Sure, some advanced souls are able to live in this presence all the time, but for most of us doing so would drive us mad. Furthermore, just because there is a Sacred and profane sphere it does not mean that not right action binds us in the profane. I'm not saying my position is right, in fact it is probably more akin to a revelation on my own weakness than anything else. As for whether I speak on behalf of all men in terms of desensitization, the answer is of course not. 

[mortify ii]

Not just symbols, heaven *is* opened to us

 

 

[CatholicsAreKewl]

[Credo in Deum]

Yes, space and time are heterogeneous, where the Sacred is present and when Sacred past acts of God are made present can not be equated to our ordinary or profane time and space. So when we enter through the portal of a Church we are entering into a different world, where the barrier between heaven and earth becomes very thin and at times non-existent. In our desacralized Western world where we basically have lost any sense of the Sacred, this seems very bizarre, and the fact that most Churches no longer have signs and symbols to aid the elevation of the mind and heart towards these heavenly matters only makes understanding and believing this all the more difficult. So in the confines of Sacred space, Sacred time, and Sacred ritual it behooves men and women to act as if they are in the literal presence of God. When the theophany of the burning bush had occurred Moses was ordered to remove his shoes for he as entering sacred space, and the same order was made when the Archangel Michael made himself present to Joshua. There is a certain act, behavior, and decorum that is absolutely required in the real presence of God that is different from the ordinary spiritual presence of our every day lives. Sure, some advanced souls are able to live in this presence all the time, but for most of us doing so would drive us mad. Furthermore, just because there is a Sacred and profane sphere it does not mean that not right action binds us in the profane. I'm not saying my position is right, in fact it is probably more akin to a revelation on my own weakness than anything else. As for whether I speak on behalf of all men in terms of desensitization, the answer is of course not. 

 

Thank you for the clarification.  While I understand the position of how one should act when in Church as opposed to outside of Church -and that there is a bit of wiggle room- I do not believe the wiggle room is as big as what society claims is fashionable.  For Baptized Catholic's I always held the belief that we are always present in the sacred sphere by virtue of our Baptism.   As Saint Paul states: "Or know you not, that your members are the temple of the Holy Ghost, who is in you, whom you have from God; and you are not your own ? For you are bought with a great price. Glorify and bear God in your body." --1 Corinthians 6:19-20

 

Anyway I'm glad to hear you do not speak for all men, including those who live in Nebraska or Saudi Arabia.