Cherie Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Its ok :) I'm sorry if I was unclear and/or wrong about anything. I'm trying to understand what the Church teaches. Its just that when I found out that there are certain reasons for NFP and its not just something you can do for any reason at all, my immediate thought was - how come this is so rarely mentioned and also I'd want to not err with these reasons. One of the reasons I made such dramatic examples was to not make a mistake and I just played it safe - or so I thought , haha!! Cherie, just to clarify that too - lol I'm not having a good day with communicating my thoughts well!! I meant its good to check with a priest and I wasn't thinking of the specific question of whether its necessary. Anyways... This is one intense thread, maybe too intense for me, so I think I will venture back into vocation station... :D very difficult topics here at debate table! But good talking to you all! I'm glad you took part. :) If you do have a vocation to religious life, it's very, very, VERY important for religious--especially if they deal with laity on a regular basis--to have a clear understanding of the Church's teaching on NFP and responsible parenthood. So many priests and religious nowadays have NO clue what it's all about, and it's so disheartening. Their bad information or faulty presuppositions get passed onto the laity and it forms a very unfortunate snowball effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Its ok :) I'm sorry if I was unclear and/or wrong about anything. I'm trying to understand what the Church teaches. Its just that when I found out that there are certain reasons for NFP and its not just something you can do for any reason at all, my immediate thought was - how come this is so rarely mentioned and also I'd want to not err with these reasons. One of the reasons I made such dramatic examples was to not make a mistake and I just played it safe - or so I thought , haha!! Cherie, just to clarify that too - lol I'm not having a good day with communicating my thoughts well!! I meant its good to check with a priest and I wasn't thinking of the specific question of whether its necessary. Anyways... This is one intense thread, maybe too intense for me, so I think I will venture back into vocation station... :D very difficult topics here at debate table! But good talking to you all! I think one reason it isn't mentioned is that it's like pulling teeth to get people to even consider using NFP sometimes. I do mention that it's not necessary to use it, just that it is the only licit means of postponing, besides complete abstinence. But NFP is also used to achieve pregnancy, or for health reasons (for example, charting revealed some hormonal problems I was having, so I was able to then go to my doctor for further testing). Believe me, the problem isn't widespread misuse of NFP - few people actually use it, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I see what you mean! Its a difficult topic to begin with. This might make it more difficult. I hope there are some good resources though explaining it in detail for those who are open to it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 There are, and more resources are available all the time. :) It's slow, but it's getting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Cool, all's well. I apologize if I came off as bit harshly there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You can't have big families, but then create social hysteria because barbarian immigrants from the third world are overrunning your border trying to feed their kids and escape violence and poverty from young people in gangs who have no jobs, no hope, no future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You can't have big families, but then create social hysteria because barbarian immigrants from the third world are overrunning your border trying to feed their kids and escape violence and poverty from young people in gangs who have no jobs, no hope, no future. ETA: The Pope is probably speaking from that perspective, as a Latin American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oremoose Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 You can't have big families, but then create social hysteria because barbarian immigrants from the third world are overrunning your border trying to feed their kids and escape violence and poverty from young people in gangs who have no jobs, no hope, no future. I am sorry can you please rephrase this I am Confused. Are you say the pope is against having large families because it feed the social hysteria? or that because of the Social hysteria keep a smaller family so it would be easier to flee the Violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I am sorry can you please rephrase this I am Confused. Are you say the pope is against having large families because it feed the social hysteria? or that because of the Social hysteria keep a smaller family so it would be easier to flee the Violence? No, that having large families is not a good in itself, people have real-life concerns, it's not just first-world "lifestyle" concerns about having the perfect-sized family with 2.5 kids and a white picket fence. And even lifestyle concerns are legit to some extent, it's about quality, not quantity. It's not easy juggling a job, kids, and a wife, etc. Modern families today aren't clans where you breed a whole nation through your concubines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 The self-appointed "NFP police" must be going bonkers over the Pope's remarks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 The self-appointed "NFP police" must be going bonkers over the Pope's remarks.... What does this even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherie Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 What does this even mean? I'm thinking probably the people who like to police NFP-users, making they're not using NFP to avoid pregnancy for "non-serious reasons." Because these are precisely the people who DID go bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Going bonkers, so long as you have the means to support your family, is fine. I don't see where the Pope has said anything contrary to Catholic teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherie Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Going bonkers, so long as you have the means to support your family, is fine. I don't see where the Pope has said anything contrary to Catholic teaching. Exactly. It seemed like a non-issue to me; he was reiterating Church teaching. What was all the hullabaloo!? Also, did anyone post this here? This puts it in a clearer context (not that it even needed that, but apparently it did): http://www.andthesethygifts.com/2015/01/21/its-not-about-rabbits-but-maybe-its-not-about-you-either/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I really think we should be concerned about the "irresponsible pregnant lady" narrative. The more I think about it, the less I think it can just be brushed aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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