Do You Support The Charismatic Renewal In The Chur

[IXpenguin21]

post arguments

[Oik]

It has some good, some bad. Besides, Catholicism is bpth Tradition and Charism.

[IXpenguin21]

agreed...

anyone feel that one side is needed more at this moment? if so where?

[Apotheoun]

I have no real interest in it.

[popestpiusx]

No, Nay, Never
No, Nay, Never, No More
:nono:


or as I said once before:
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[Budge]

Is it still as strong anymore?

When I was Catholic I met only one Charistmatic and she had to drive 200 miles to get to nearest Chrarismatic meeeting.

[p0lar_bear]

I stand with the Holy Father, in support of the renewal.

[qfnol31]

I support some things, don't understand others, and some I question.

But then again, who am I to say that it's not real or good for the Church?

BTW, I'm planning to post more.

[P3chrmd]

I completley support 100%....GO CHARISMATICS!

Just like there are traditionalist who prefer everything in latin...there are folks who like a modern mass! Whatever gets you closer to Our Lord...as long as it dosen't go against church teaching...CATHOLIC IS CATHOLIC!

Edited June 12, 2004 by P3chrmd

[Bruce S]

Talking with friends who live in the town where the Catholic "Charismatic Movement" began, they tell me that it is almost invisible now.

Talking with those good Catholics, they tell me that whenever a movement got going in a parish, the authorities would transfer the priest who was leading a movement to an old ethnic parish, where he could not get support and transferred into the Charismatic parish where the movement was strong, a priest who tried every way he could to end the Charismatic movement.

They seem to think that the Catholic Church won't come out and say it has to be stopped, but their actions show that they are doing just that around here.

The movement isn't something the Catholic Church around here wants, that comes out very clearly.

Edited June 12, 2004 by Bruce S

[Archaeology cat]

As someone who is converting to Catholicism from a charismatic Methodist church, I love the charismatic movement. For me, it makes it a little easier for me to relate, and I love the charismatic Catholic Church I attend now, even though, by my old church's standards, it's far from being ultra charismatic. It seems this church has compromised, giving the parisheners some charismatic elements and some traditional elements, and I think it works.

[Mary's Knight, La]

It depends on what you mean by charismatic renewal, if you're talking about an organized movement then i have my reservations because the experience i had was with an organization that wasn't very faithful by what they taught. I no longer remember the name entirely but it had renew or renewal in it.

if you're talking about the fresh outpouring and use of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and charismatic worship then I fully agree it has its place in the church. however, it should never be viewed as replacing the charisms present in the traditional forms of worship and liturgy as they are part of the heart of the church

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='IXpenguin21' date='Jun 11 2004, 07:49 PM'] post arguments [/quote]
I would love to. But will they be deleted?

[Hananiah]

As I understand it, for the past several hundred years only the holiest of the saints have been given true spiritual gifts. But then in the 60s Catholics standed getting them en masse after learning from Pentecostals. Something is wrong here.

[Bruce S]

[quote name='Hananiah' date='Jun 12 2004, 12:47 PM'] As I understand it, for the past several hundred years only the holiest of the saints have been given true spiritual gifts.  But then in the 60s Catholics standed getting them en masse after learning from Pentecostals.  Something is wrong here. [/quote]
Certainly is.

But not the answer that you might want it to be.

As a Pentecostal, I have a certain interest in the history of the Catholic Church CM.

[quote]Pope Pius XI wrote many years ago that authentic Catholic Action is "the participation of the laity in the apostolate of the hierarchy." By that definition, most Catholics in today’s Church in America would not know where to begin or exactly how to undertake their Catholic Action. They do know that, first, they would have to penetrate layers of bureaucracy even to talk to, much less work with, their bishops[/quote]

If the Bishop's can't control something, they want to stifle it. The Charismatic gifts are anthetical to bureacracies, and work AGAINST institutional denominational hide bound ways.

The Holy Spirit isn't going to be CONFINED.

Edited June 12, 2004 by Bruce S

[Bruce S]

[quote]From the outset of the [Charismatic] renewal [they/Bishops] were skeptical at best, and eventually became hardened in their resistance - like a dam across a river. Because it posed a threat to their doctrines and traditions, they sought to discredit and/or ignore it. Rather than affirm the charismatics in their midst, they gave this advice "keep it quiet, keep it personal, make it optional, don't promote it." In other words, maybe it will just go away after awhile! The result? Charismatics often became colonies of spiritual lepers. [/quote]

Or they left. My local church, over 1,000 families, are MOSTLY Charismatics who left the Catholic Church.

That may be why you don't hear much about the Charismatic's anymore, if you stifle people, and try to control the Holy Spirit, He has this strange way of fixing things Himself, it would seem.

It was a flower in the Catholic Church that wasn't watered, or fertilized.

Edited June 12, 2004 by Bruce S

[amarkich]

I am at the Deacon's house, interestingly enough, but I will leave a brief comment. I stand with the most holy Father Hardon on this issue. He said that these "gifts" were not from God but from the Devil (the gifts of certain Saints throughout history are to be distinguished between those of the blasphemous, modern "speaking in tongues" which was replaced by Gregorian Chant). In any event, a friend of mine knows someone who truly can "interpret tongues." He went to a charismatic "mass" (i.e., Mess) and heard mostly mumbling which was made up by the "speaker" and by the others, great blasphemies against God and the Saints. God bless.

[M.SIGGA]

yup i'm all about it and it is really really really strong in louisiana, especially among the youth - we even have a couple charismatic bishops. i also here it is starting to boom in the Southwest and the Westcoast, where Lifeteen began.

It strengthens love for the Eucharist which is the coolest I think and i think this is a really big reason there is such a surge right now of so many new young folks comming into the Church even though there is so much bad press in the U.S. at least where I live. Sometimes I think there are more Protestants sitting in the back of Catholic Churches than Catholic people lol - but I know the CCR isn't the only reason of course.

I know of so many new converts to the Church of late teens and young 20 somethings out of many non-Catholic churches who are in love with this movement and the Stuebenville Movement i think is the strongest one that has won the most converts where I live. If you've never been to a Charismatic Eucharistic Adoration i really suggest going, and especially if it's at a Steubenville Conference.

It's taught me to grow in love of my Faith in Christ and understand His neverending and eternal Love and fidelity to His faithful and His Church. Plus the Pope likes it, eh?

I'm in France right now ... and they hold hands here too

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Jun 12 2004, 04:36 PM']
Or they left. My local church, over 1,000 families, are MOSTLY Charismatics who left the Catholic Church.

[/quote]
That's why I am against it. It started with the protestants and will end with them as well, though for different reasons than our good friend Bruce would like us to believe.

[Archbishop 10-K]

Can someone please explain to me what the charismatic revival is, and/or what a charismatic Catholic is?


If it means using upbeat pop/rock music in Mass, or calling for any liturgical abuses whatsoever, then of course I'm against. As a semi-traditionalist, I prefer the kind of Mass that freaks your run-of-the-mill evangelical Protestant out. Latin, Gregorian chant, and getting heavy on sacrifice and atonement of sins, w00t!

Seriously, though, IMO, when you walk into a Catholic Mass, it should be distinctively Catholic. I like the medieval flair to it. The modernist worship services at my mom's church bore the heck out of me.