Why Is The Vatican So Accepting Of Islam?

[amarkich]

Morph, the Church does not teach that muslims worship the true God in any authoritative statement. There are many people who would like to believe this, but it is not true. It is true that the Jews might worship the same God, as He has been revealed to them, but since they have rejected Him and murdered Him, they no longer can be pleasing to Him, as it is written, "But without faith it is impossible to please God" (c.f., Hebrews xi.6). The same, however, can be said of all non-Catholics, as the Council of Trent says that it is impossible to please God without the Catholic Faith of which Saint Paul speaks in his epistle to the Hebrews. God bless.

[MorphRC]

Ok. Thats the best explaination and answer Ive had to far. Blunt and straightforward. Ty!

[MorphRC]

so far*

[Guest JeffCR07]

Hey guys, sorry for not responding, I work long hours during the day and didn't have time/energy to do anything but eat dinner & go to sleep when I got home.

Amarkich, while I agree with you - that it should be discussed on another thread entirely, and with the unity of the laity in mind (Dust doesn't want those who are not fully formed yet in their faith shaken by catholic - catholic discussion) I would like to take the chance to point out that, while many Traditionalists (I am not in any way using the term as offensive) are quick to decry the actions of the Pope, few mention the fact that the [i]vast[/i] majority of the Magisterium supports him. Whether it is in America (frighteningly liberal in some parts) or in Africa (very Traditional) or anywhere else in the world, it is difficult to find those who do not support him in the majority.

That having been said, I find rejecting what the Holy Father & the Magisterium teach very shaky ground to stand on (personally), even if what they teach seemed counter-intuitive. I argue that humble submission (ie accepting that the intellect of one or a small group of the laity does not have the authority to decide what the Tradition of the Church teaches).

Scripture is inspired, just like Tradition. The only one who can speak authoritatively on what Scripture says is the Magisterium, in communion with the Pope. In the same way, the only one who can speak authoritatively on what Tradition says is the Magisterium, in communion with the Pope.

Just because I, a layperson, happen to think that Tradition says one thing does not make it so. I must submit to the authority that the Magisterium and Pope bear. When the Pope, supported by the Magisterium, teaches that Allah IS the one God of the Trinity, whether the Muslims believe it or not, I will cast my lot with the Holy Father and the majority of the Bishops.

Plus, on a completely seperate note, it makes sense that it is the same God. Mohammed followed the God of Abraham.

Morph: [quote]Anyways. I know they dont worship the same God, they can claim it till their lungs blow, and the Pope can teach it till his heart desires, but they dont, there is way to much paganisism an arab thought of 'God' that fits in with arab paganism. Its to coincidental.[/quote]

This type of absolute denial is the same that closed the hearts of the Pharisees

Also, remember, just because an answer is "Blunt and straightforward" does not make it the best one.

This whole conversation really saddens me. Is our faith so fragile, so breakable, that we cannot risk acknowledging Truth wherever it exists? Does acknowledging "Allah" as a name for the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob shatter our faith so much that we begin to lose it?

I, for one, can acknowledge that there are peices of the Truth here and there in other religions because I know that the Catholic Faith is the Fullness of Truth. My faith does not need to be the only place where Truth can be found, because I know that it is the only place where ALL Truth can be found. Because I am Catholic, I know that Christ is the Way, and because of that I can look out upon the world and observe others in their quest to find God. I can see which steps they take are on the right path and which are on the wrong one, and I will do what I can to guide them into the fullness of the Truth.

But to look out upon those people with disgust and deny that they are even trying to walk the path, to deny that they are capable of knowing any of the Truth at all...That is to be one of the Pharisees. It is to be among those that Christ called a Brood of Vipers and those that he denounced as hypocrits.

Did you have the fullness of Christ before you knew the Church? No
Did you have some of the Truth, because the Grace that God has one for us has been poured out over the whole of the earth? Yes

[Guest JeffCR07]

lol won* for us