So sick of hearing about these priest molesting kids

[Guest]

and it being covered up over and over and over again. W T F !?!?!?

Edited March 2, 2016 by Guest

[MIKolbe]

imagine how the molested kids feel.....

just sayin...

[Guest]

Some killed themselves so I can't even begin to imagine.

Edited March 2, 2016 by Guest

[Gabriela]

Grammatically, your thread title says something quite different.

[PhuturePriest]

3 hours ago, Gabriela said:

Grammatically, your thread title says something quite different.

[Guest]

I've read it over and over but still can't figure it out.

[4588686]

21 minutes ago, Josh said:

I've read it over and over but still can't figure it out.

Your sentence reads that the kids are molesting the Priests

[Guest]

"So sick of hearing about these PRIEST molesting KIDS."   I don't see it. It must be like an optical allusion or something.

I don't know how to use commas and colons and whatever else might be out there.

[truthfinder]

Actually, you just need to make priest plural. 

[Guest]

Ahh I see it now. @Nihil Obstat told me about this before but I forgot. Thank you.

[Anomaly]

A lot of responses concerning grammar.  

I personally am not surprised.   I saw it first hand for years.  The attitude of fearing scandal against the Church or the office of the Priest, so it gets covered up and people are told to forgive and pray about it.  But don't use a condom or masturbate, those are one way tickets to hell.  Priorities. 

[enitharmon]

These reflections on the movie Spotlight resonated with me, particularly this paragraph:

"Anyway, the most emotionally wrenching scene for me was the one where Rezendes is breaking down on the back porch of a newspaper colleague’s apartment. He’s finally seen the depths of the church’s depravity in Boston, and, as he puts it, “something cracked.” He says he was raised Catholic, and had drifted from the Church, but always thought he would return. Now, knowing what he knows, that path is closed, and it’s tearing him alive."

 

[Graciela]

Anomaly is spot on, IMHO.  Sexual urges squish out in unholy and abusive ways when people are formed without any positive means of integrating them into a holistic and adult humanity.  

And then myriads of bishops and prelates cover it up as if those who were abused do not matter as much as the "image" of the church.  It is no wonder that so many people have walked away from Roman Catholicism as these cover-ups have been made known, and that they suffer too for loss of their spiritual home.

 

[Papist]

And I am sick of threads blathering about it.. 

[BarbTherese]

These scandals are sickening in the extreme - it all makes me sick too - and even more sick, horrified, having watched the four days of evidence of Cardinal Pell to our Royal Commission here in Australia.  I am truly shocked to the core.

We need to hear about it and we need to share our views.  God is Truth and we need to know the truth.  It is an appalling and shocking situation, especially in view of the words of Jesus " [41] And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea." (Mark Ch9)  If things have gone so terribly and shockingly amiss in our Church, then it is a collective responsibility and indeed an accountability.  It is probably very true that all evil needs to increase is for good people to do nothing.  As an individual one may not be able to do much visibly at all to the overall situation as it stands now, but we can form a view based on what we believe to be the truth and to stand up for it and be prepared to speak to it if necessary.

My feelings are with in the main the children who suffered and will suffer for the rest of their lives and no matter the final outcome of secular and Church investigations.  Secondly, I fear for those who are guilty of offences of child abuse and my prayers go with both groups and daily, aware as I am that my own sins may have contributed in some way.  As Pope Benedict has told us - that we only have the sins IN THE CHURCH TO FEAR.  It will be God on Judgement Day who alone will insight the whole truth of the matter including overall causes visible and invisible - and we just might be all standing on the line. Hence thirdly, my own fears are for myself and my fellow Catholics  ............

1	...........Matthew 5:13You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt lose its savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is good for nothing any more but to be cast out, and to be trodden on by men."

[veritasluxmea]

I saw Spotlight. If you haven't already, go see it. It's online for free with google. 

I spent the whole night wondering how a whole town of responsible adults could just look the other way. How could that happen? People seemed so willing to let it slide. I don't just mean the bystander effect (although for some people that probably had something to do with it) but people who were actually knew, actually had authority over the situation, actually could do something about it- just didn't. Just covered it up. Why? It reminded me of some situations when people have drug addicts or alcoholics in the family and they end up enabling the person, or just ignoring and working around the problem. Is it because people see priests as a father figure and kind of "part of the family" so they're unwilling to address any problems with them, like they would with their own family? 

I know during those times psychology thought sexual disorders were curable with treatment (same for homosexuality). But that doesn't excuse covering it up after they kept repeating, or letting them out of a jail sentence. 

The only two corrections I would mention about the movie is that Archbishop Law was moved to an decorative position with no real authority, similar to where Burke was moved. Frankly I think he should be completely demoted and tried in American courts as being an accessory to child abuse... but at least he wasn't promoted. The way the movie leaves that off makes it sound like that's what happened.

The movie didn't really take the "celibacy creates pedophiles" track that often is taken against the priesthood (good thing that's false, or else I'm in trouble ), but did say the practice of celibacy encouraged priests to look the other way because they, too, were secretly breaking their vows, which  created a culture of secrecy. That's true, but if they were all married and committing adultery, wouldn't that also create a culture of secrecy? How would being married fix sexual immorality? The issue is that they're breaking their vows- not that they took vows. And if they're into promiscuous behavior, getting married won't fix that, and it certainly won't fix pedophile-desires (although to the movie's credit they didn't claim that!). I can see how if most priests are breaking their vows it would create a "look the other way" culture. But I doubt that's the case in most diocese and even in Boston nowadays. But during that scandal maybe they were breaking their vows and had that problem going on. They obviously had elements of secrecy and thought covering it up was the best option. But the answer to solving sexual immorality in future priests isn't to allow them to get married. 

Seriously though, it was a good movie- good see it. 

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Yeah funny thing is perhaps around 15% of people in Jail are there because they are pedophiles and the media never drills them. But aye i'm glad, weed em out, a murderous or rapist priest should always have been de frocked, croutons martin luther was for perhaps and not saying it is lessor but a lessor offence. Murder and rape are the worst of crimes and needed to be treated as such especialy in the holy priesthood. I was told by someone that the church did used to ex communicate such priests but stopped doing so the last 100 or so years. I could be wrong perhaps no one should have any discipline and we all should get given gifts for being bad.

Heck in the confessional we should be able to talk cordially about what led up to our sins so the priest can decide whether it is cold blooded or hot blooded so that the priest is able to exact a penance in accordance with reason, though murder and rape is always cold.

 

I'm kind of glad these guys are busted and now will be facing the right amount of karma for there most horrible of crimes, may save them from eternal damnation. I recommend all priests that have molested a child or raped a minor to turn themselves in and avoid hell even if our ranks are seriously depleted, we all know what Jesus says will happen to people that are the fall of children.

Also darkness will never overcome the church though it has and does try, and on the rare occasion as we have in this recent scandal, and a scandal it is, gotten into the priesthood and God only knows how high up these pedos have gotten.

 

GodblesS.

 

Jesus is LORD.

 

Onward Christian Souls.

 

P.s. Jesus also says all darkness must be bought to the light, your going to be even more horrified when it is revealed that this crime is more prevelant in the world than you may think and that compared to the world the church of course has fared relatively well. People that have been molested rarely tell people due to embarressment and confusion and push it to the back of there minds. And the crime is more prevalent against girls than boys.

I was groomed by a paedophile

Edited March 3, 2016 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[Anomaly]

1 hour ago, Papist said:

And I am sick of threads blathering about it.. 

As were many people tired of hearing about it.   When I was a practicing Catholic, (within the last ten years) teaching Confirmation classes and a key adult mentor in the youth group, I helped diminish and squash the info of a priest grooming a kid.   Before that, as a member of the school board, I was involved and have first hand knowledge of another cover up of a student on student molestation in a Catholic school.  We were close friends with the abused kids parents . 

I understand the desire to protect the Church, parochial school, Catholicism, and it's institutions.  Looking back, it became apparent how easy it is to justify things to avoid "greater" harm.  People were sick of hearing these stories, even as they were happening again. 

Edited March 3, 2016 by Anomaly

[Guest]

Veritasluxmea these Priests who did this aren't straight men. I just can't get how people don't understand this. Straight men who are attracted to only females don't mess around with young boys. If they do they are gay.

Edited March 3, 2016 by Guest

[beatitude]

20 minutes ago, Anomaly said:

As were many people tired of hearing about it.   When I was a practicing Catholic, (within the last ten years) teaching Confirmation classes and a key adult mentor in the youth group, I helped diminish and squash the info of a priest grooming a kid.   Before that, as a member of the school board, I was involved and have first hand knowledge of another cover up of a student on student molestation in a Catholic school.  We were close friends with the abused kids parents . 

I understand the desire to protect the Church, parochial school, Catholicism, and it's institutions.  Looking back, it became apparent how easy it is to justify things to avoid "greater" harm.  People were sick of hearing these stories, even as they were happening again. 

Cover-up is a part of abuse. I've been working with children with severe mental health problems for years, most of whom have experienced some kind of sexual trauma, especially among the girls, and there was almost always a parent who wanted to cover for an abusive spouse (because he's "not that bad", he's "stressed", it's "all in her head") or a school who wanted to defend an excellent teacher ("Allegations like this could destroy his career"). Cover-ups can easily become part of an institution's culture. In the UK we have just seen this with the BBC, where celebrities like Jimmy Savile were preying on vulnerable young girls under the cover of their charity work, and everyone from senior broadcasting managers to hospital nurses looked the other way. I suspect denial and cover-ups are the norm rather than the exception in abuse cases (and I think trying to insinuate that abusive priests must be gay is another form of denial  - we make the problem about homosexuality rather than about abuse of trust and power, as though only people "like them" are capable of committing such crimes. Not us. Never us).

But even though I agree that we need to face up to abuse as a community, even when that means going against Father Favourite or hauling our dirty laundry to the public laundromat, I also get the frustration over the way it gets brought up. Someone will express outrage. OK, fine, many of us are outraged. But what it does it achieve to keep saying on Phatmass again and again how outraged we are and how it should never have happened? I may just be jaded because in 'real life' I have had people being quite aggressive and confrontational with me over this, expecting me to justify my religious faith and almost acting as though I'm personally culpable for the abuse, so when I see these threads I think OK, what's the expectation? That we sit at the keyboard and self-flagellate with our mouse cables?