So sick of hearing about these priest molesting kids

[Ice_nine]

mer sexual orientation, social construct. you're not actually straight. nobody is.

moving to debate table

[Guest]

@Ice_nine So nobody's straight? Okay? So all guys are sexually attracted to guys somewhere way deep down inside? That's what you're saying?

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[Anomaly]

9 hours ago, Josh said:

@Ice_nine So nobody's straight? Okay? So all guys are sexually attracted to guys somewhere way deep down inside? That's what you're saying?

Josh, 

Regardless of "sexual orientation", these priests are and were sexually abusing others. It seems to happen mostly against boys, but what difference does that really make?  Whether it was a boy, girl, man, woman, or rabbit, the Catholic priest or clergy forced themselves via intimidation, brute force, and emotional and psychological manipulation.   These guys were trained, educated, and employed by a religious organization which claims to be The Moral Authority to Teach and Guide humanity in earth as Gods divinely empowered representatives.   It is mind boggling to hear statistical defenses that percentage wise, it's not much different than teachers or general population.  Other groups don't attend mass, are ordained, don't get special graces through ordination, being prayed for, receiving the Eucharist, or participate as a lifetime dedicated employee of The Church.   

They are in the business of helping souls get to heaven by being good and holy.  They teach you can never lie.  They say it is a mortal sin to masturbate, condemning your soul to an eternity of fiery torment.   Not three days and you're out.  Eternity. 

They break fundamentals tenants of who and what they and the Church claims to represent.  Not as a statistical rarity compared to regular atheists and religious, but about the same rate. THEN, when there is a problem, the bosses and Church work hard for decades to cover it up, escape "scandal" as the priority, and continue to allow these heinous people to continue their abuse UNLESS called out on it by secular society and government of regular people, including atheists. 

The Church is pretty much what you think it is.   A huge organization that exists to protect itself and get bigger and influence what people say and do.  It claims its sole purpose is to speak and instruct as Gods representative in earth.  But look at the type of moral decisions it continually makes.   No different than any other well meaning government or organization or religion.  Certainly not more evil than good, but NOT anything special, despite its desperate claims it is The Fount of Truth.  

Many cultures share the same common sense wisdom:.  "Prove what you say you are by what you do."   Don't say you are the Perfect Institution in teaching morals in the context of our daily lives and tolerate, protect, and protect these priests commuting extreme hypocrisy for decades. 

[Guest]

Watching and responding to 'Spotlight'

 

Fr. Peter Daly  |  Dec. 23, 2015Parish Diary

 

"Spotlight" is a very good movie. It might win an Oscar for best screenplay.

 

"Spotlight" is a very sad story. It might mark a watershed in the way priests are seen in movies.

 

"Spotlight" was a tragedy brought on by sins of priests and bishops. The damage is not yet finished and the perpetrators of these crimes have never been held fully accountable.

 

I went to see "Spotlight" by myself. I knew it would be painful to watch.

 

The movie is the story of The Boston Globeinvestigation of the priest pedophilia scandal in the Archdiocese of Boston. The scandal exploded into public awareness in 2002. The investigative team of the Globe, known as "Spotlight" had generally investigated corruption in government or the police. But they turned their attention to the Archdiocese of Boston with devastating effect. While the scandal broke in 2002, it had been simmering below the surface for years.

 

Michael Keaton leads an ensemble cast that is entirely believable. They capture the atmosphere of the newsroom and the atmosphere of the Catholic church in Boston. The real Spotlight team spent more than a year uncovering the child abuse scandal. They won a Pulitzer Prize for their series and they touched off similar investigations worldwide. It has been a scandal that continues to convulse the church.

 

As a parish priest I found it painful to watch. I was ashamed.

 

I went to see the movie alone. When the movie was over I sat in stunned silence in the theater and waited for everyone else to leave. I did not want to have to talk. Above all I did not want to run into any parishioners. Our church behaved horribly.

 

Every seminarian should see this movie. The USCCB should spend an evening watching it together and discussing it. The only disinfectant that will really lead to cleansing is the bright light of truth. The Archdiocese of Boston would never have reformed without theGlobe stories.

 

At one point in the movie the reporters interview Richard Sipe, the former priest and psychologist, over the telephone. He has spent 40 years treating and studying the sexual behavior of priests. Sipe's character points out what I have long felt to be true: the root problem is celibacy. It creates a culture of secrecy and mendacity. People lie to themselves and the church about their abstinence from sex. They become accustomed to not telling the truth. Bishops are caught up in that clerical culture of mendacity. Sipe points out that 6% of priests act out sexually with children, which was nearly 90 priests in Boston. (nationwide 4% of priests have been accused of sexual abuse of minors, according to the John Jay study.)

 

The movie captures well the clannish and insular atmosphere of Catholic Boston. It took an outsider like Marty Baron, a Jew from Florida, who took over as editor of the Globe to force the paper to take on this issue. The movie mentions that 53% of the Globe readership was Catholic.

 

Catholic Boston was already falling apart by the late 90s, but today it has collapsed, largely as a result of the Spotlight series. The resignation of Cardinal Bernard Law was one result of the stories. The movie hints at the arrogant clericalism in Boston, that led priests and bishops to think they were above the law and accountable to no one.

 

Just before the final credits roll in the movie, a few words on screen mention that Cardinal Law resigned but was never held accountable. He was reassigned to Rome at St. Mary Major in a cushy sinecure. No American bishop has ever gone to jail for covering up these felonies on their watch.

 

Many good things have happened since 2002, largely as a result of the Globe stories. The truth is better known now. We are slightly more honest. Many victims have been helped. There is a universal awareness of creating a safe environment for children. Every priest, deacon, teacher and parish volunteer who works with children is now required to go to child abuse prevention training and to continuing online training.

 

We are now much more cautious about the care of youth. No priest or volunteer is ever supposed to be alone with any youth. Parish priests, like me, have adjusted our behavior. I never give any youth a ride in my car unless there are others present. I never let any youth into the rectory, unless they are accompanied by their parents. If a young person wants to have their confession heard, we go to where other people are present. On retreats or youth trips, priests and deacons do not sleep in the same room with the youth, no matter how many people are present.

 

As good as the movie is it tells only the first part of a continuing story. There is a need for a follow-up movie to tell the story of the enormous payouts of cash and huge settlements to victims, the stonewalling of many bishops, and the bankruptcy of eight U.S. dioceses. That movie could also tell about the many people who have stopped going to church and parish after parish has closed.

 

Maybe the next movie could be called "Fallout."

 

Thirteen years after the scandal broke many people have still not gotten the message. There is a new clericalism and arrogance among many of the younger clergy today.

 

Several years ago, at a meeting of priests in our archdiocese, a bishop said to us, "Gentlemen, after the scandals of 2002, priests no longer get the benefit of the doubt."

 

I remember leaning over to the priest sitting next to me and saying, "The bishop only gets half the message. After the scandals of 2002, bishops don't get the benefit of the doubt either."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest]

On 3/3/2016 3:01:02, PhuturePriest said:

You're the only person who constantly makes threads about it. In fact, I'm pretty sure you're the only person who makes any threads about it. You are fixated on the issue. You constantly talk about this, constantly make threads about this, and constantly whine and bemoan it. 

I'll show you what it looks like to constantly make threads about it. Prior to this thread I probably made 5 at the most. That's about to change.

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[Nihil Obstat]

16 minutes ago, Josh said:

I'll show you what it looks like to constantly make threads about it. Prior to this thread I probably made 5 at the most. That's about to change.

No need to do that.

[Guest]

Just now, Nihil Obstat said:

No need to do that.

May I respectfully ask why?

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[Nihil Obstat]

6 minutes ago, Josh said:

May I respectfully ask why?

Because - equally respectfully - you post a heck of a lot of new threads already, and a large portion of them have little to no response. No need to make more just to prove a point.

[Guest]

Just now, Nihil Obstat said:

Because - equally respectfully - you post a heck of a lot of new threads already, and a large portion of them have little to no response. No need to make more just to prove a point.

I do post a lot of threads lol You got me there.

[Ice_nine]

22 hours ago, Josh said:

@Ice_nine So nobody's straight? Okay? So all guys are sexually attracted to guys somewhere way deep down inside? That's what you're saying?

no, but . . . yeah sure, why not?

[Guest]

Just now, Ice_nine said:

no, but . . . yeah sure, why not?

I just can't get on board with that (no pun intended) I've heard that IS the case for females. Not that I believe it is although I can't know for sure.

I'm guessing it is true for you and Gabriela.

Edited March 6, 2016 by Guest

[Guest]

On a side note if I was born a female I think there's a good chance I would be attracted to females. Can't say I blame you.

Song of Solomon 7:8 ►         Your stature is like that of the palm,

and your breasts like clusters of fruit. 

 I said, “I will climb the palm tree;

I will take hold of its fruit.” 

May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine,

the fragrance of your breath like apples,

 and your mouth like the best wine.

Edited March 6, 2016 by Guest

[Nihil Obstat]

Feminine beauty is probably the most naturally obvious work of Divine genius.

And William-Adolphe Bouguereau is a messenger of God Himself.  Seriously.

Edited March 6, 2016 by Nihil Obstat

[Ice_nine]

you guys are gross

[Nihil Obstat]

11 hours ago, Ice_nine said:

you guys are gross

[little2add]

 

[Guest]

In ‘groundbreaking’ case, Franciscan friars charged with allowing abuse of at least 80 kids

 

By Julie Zauzmer March 15 at 1:20 PM  

 

Pennsylvania religious leaders charged with allowing sex abuse 

 

Three members of a Franciscan religious order are criminally charged with conspiracy for allegedly letting a friar who was a known predator hold jobs in which he sexually abused more than 80 children. 

 

In a first-of-its-kind case, prosecutors in Pennsylvania announced charges on Tuesday against three Franciscan friars who they say facilitated the abuse of dozens of children.

 

Prosecutors say that all three men knew about sexual abuse allegations against Brother Stephen Baker dating back to the 1980s but that the three friars continued to place Baker in jobs that gave him access to children, up until 2010.

 

Confronted with a lawsuit that made the accusations public, Baker killed himself in 2013, at age 62, in the monastery where he lived. On Monday, state prosecutors announced that three men who supervised him — Brothers Anthony M. Criscitelli, 61, Robert J. D’Aversa, 69, and Giles A. Schinelli, 73 — are each charged with one count of endangering the welfare of children and one count of criminal conspiracy.

 

“These men knew there was a child predator in their organization. Yet they continued to put him in positions where he had countless opportunities to prey upon children,” Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane said in a statement. “Their silence resulted in immeasurable pain and suffering for so many victims. These men turned a blind eye to the innocent children they were trusted to protect.”

 

Kane’s office also conducted an investigation into the Altoona-Johnstown Diocese in Pennsylvania which produced a damning grand jury report earlier this month. That report chronicled alleged abuses committed by 35 priests, dating to the 1950s, in wrenching detail. But it did not recommend charges against anyone. Most of the priests named in the report have died, and the statute of limitations has expired in some cases.

 

But when the grand jury turned its attention to friars based in Hollidaysburg, Pa. — the Franciscan Friars, Third Order Regulars, Province of the Immaculate Conception — it found cause to charge three men who served in the same job in the organization, that of minister provincial. The minister provincial controls which friar works where, prosecutors said. So Criscitelli, D’Aversa and Schinelli were the ones who placed Baker in the jobs which he allegedly used as opportunities to molest children, for years.

 

Marci Hamilton, a constitutional law scholar at Yeshiva University and prominent attorney for child sex abuse survivors, said that the Pennsylvania attorney general’s decision to charge men who supervised abusers is rare.

 

“What we’re seeing is the incremental improvement in the way in which prosecutors are seeing these issues and dealing with them. This sends a real message of support to the victims, not just of Stephen Baker but across the country,” Hamilton said.

 

She said supervisors have only previously been charged with child endangerment in Catholic church cases three times anywhere in the country. The first case, also in Pennsylvania, led to a Philadelphia priest’s conviction in 2012. That case set an important precedent in Pennsylvania, Hamilton said: “The supervisor does not have to have direct contact with children to be found responsible for their welfare.”

 

Hamilton noted that Monday’s charges are also the first such charges in the country to target a religious order. Orders like the Franciscans are notoriously secretive, and the worldwide regularity among monasteries of the order might help prosecutors elsewhere to bring cases similar to the Pennsylvania one, she said.

 

“This is groundbreaking. We have not seen a prosecutor charge an order of priests,” Hamilton said.

 

The Franciscan order released a statement that said:

 

We are deeply saddened by the news released today by the Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General. With compassion for the victims and their families, as well as for the Catholic family and the community at large, the Province and its leadership have worked to cooperate with the Office of Attorney General throughout this investigation in the hope that this information could shed light on events that the Province, too, struggles to understand.

 

The Province extends its most sincere apologies to the victims and to the communities who have been harmed. It invites the community to join it in prayer for healing and understanding, and for all the priests and brothers who honor their vocations and the Church.

 

Before Baker died, the Franciscans settled a lawsuit with 11 victims who said Baker abused them in the 1980s and 1990s when he worked at a school in Ohio, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. That settlement prompted 25 students from Bishop McCort Catholic High School in Johnstown, Pa., where Baker taught from 1992 to 2000, to say they had also been abused by him.

 

Now, the grand jury said, more than 80 Bishop McCort students have said they were victimized by Baker. Prosecutors said that Baker repeatedly said he was treating boys as an athletic trainer, which he was not trained to do. Then he would grope their genitals and penetrate them with his finger.

 

Prosecutors pointed to repeated chances that the friars had to stop Baker: Schinelli sent Baker for a psychological evaluation and got back the answer that Baker should not have contact with children; then Schinelli assigned Baker to Bishop McCort.

 

D’Aversa found an accusation of sexual abuse credible in 2000. He removed Baker from the school, then put him in charge of overnight youth retreats around the country. Then in 2008, D’Aversa assigned Baker to another job, at St. Aloysius College, where the grand jury found that he abused three minors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[veritasluxmea]

6 minutes ago, Josh said:

Confronted with a lawsuit that made the accusations public, Baker killed himself in 2013, at age 62, in the monastery where he lived. On Monday, state prosecutors announced that three men who supervised him — Brothers Anthony M. Criscitelli, 61, Robert J. D’Aversa, 69, and Giles A. Schinelli, 73 — are each charged with one count of endangering the welfare of children and one count of criminal conspiracy.

I'm so sad to hear this happened, but I'm glad that these people are being held accountable. 

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Lock em all up in a closed order that never leaves the grounds of the monastery, same as murderers. 1 strike and your out for the clergy for these two offences rape and murder. I'd like to see the statistics on murderers and rapists whether molesting children or forced sex of an adult, as to whether most re offend more than once after the 1st offence and if this is so than really it should be a life sentence as an act of mercy toward the general public.

[Jack4]

If you are really concerned about this, please read the below with your heart:

O Jesus, eternal Priest,
keep your priests within the shelter of Your Sacred Heart,
where none may touch them.

Keep unstained their anointed hands,
which daily touch Your Sacred Body.

Keep unsullied their lips,
daily purpled with your Precious Blood.

Keep pure and unearthly their hearts,
sealed with the sublime mark of the priesthood.

Let Your holy love surround them and
shield them from the world's contagion.

Bless their labors with abundant fruit and
may the souls to whom they minister be their joy and consolation here and in heaven their beautiful and
everlasting crown. Amen.