I Am A Conservative Republican Because...

[megamattman1]

"because he believes in God, he is a conservative republican".

Pedro's point about mixing faith and politics still exists only he said faith instead of God which is basically the same thing.

That God statement is actually unclear. Any party can make that statement yet he put it on his list. So either he's putting pointless statements on his list or he's insinuating that to believe in God means you should be a conservative republican. I think we all know he was not putting pointless statements on there. So what does it mean to be a conservative republican?

ironmonk musta meant that because he believes in God, and to believe in God means to be prolife, and the republican party platform is prolife, in that respect he is a normative conservative republican. Or is he implying that in order to believe in God you must be a conservative republican? Pedro was simply saying that you don't have to be a republican per se to be prolife since ironmonks first thread is ambiguous.

ironmonk should clarify what he means by "because he believes in God, he is a conservative republican".

Edited June 25, 2004 by megamattman1

[XIX]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 24 2004, 07:00 PM'] Democrats vs Republicans



by the way, I never said Bush in my statement... haha. I know it wasnt charitable though, and I'm not actually mad or anything [/quote]
"Books are wonderful things. They often have very pretty pictures."

--George W. Bush

:haha:

[PedroX]

Megamattman,

Mega points to you for actually getting my point. Mary's Knight, its not as cut and dried as you would like to think. Republican does not equal Christian, or even prolife. I've argued it many times before, and I will keep pointing it out until people quite leaping to that assumption.

peace...

[megamattman1]

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Edited June 25, 2004 by megamattman1

[megamattman1]

[quote]I believe in teaching people how to fish while I give them a fish. I also know human nature, therefore I also believe 2 Thess. 3:10
I believe that less government is better.[/quote]

Are you for the government giving the fish or for private people giving the fish?

[quote]
I know there is God
God does not change with time
The media distorts the truth to the point of lying
I believe that God needs to be the cornerstone of what political leaders base their decisions on
I believe that there is no such thing as a white lie
I believe that if a man cannot run his own household, then he should not be running a country
I believe that if a man contradicts himself constantly, he cannot be trusted for running a cash register let alone a country
[/quote]

Remember to give your opponents the best light possible. The fact that you say things like you believe in God and don't believe in lies etc and are in a essence insinuating other parties don't follow these values only shows your bias. Lies and atheism and such are not on most non-republican platfoms.

[crusader1234]

[quote]I love when we mix politics and religion like this! I am a Catholic, therefore I must believe in trickle down economic theory. Why? Its the only christian belief possible.

Give me a break.

peace... [/quote]

I totally agree - Republican doesnt equal good Catholic.

[Winchester]

I'm republican because of our stupid two party system that betrays democracy and efficiency.

I am not conservative, becuase I believe things should change.


Bush wants to get rid of overtime compensation for firefighters. That means he's an utter jerk and has no respect for what we do, like so many anti-labor republicans.

Until we disallow contributions for campaigns from special interests and revamp our system so it does not reward having rich friends, we'll be under the yoke of special interests.

Thank God for unions. (yes, a republican is saying that)

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I think the statement that he believes in God refers to the fact that many [b]far[/b]-left activists would like to see God erased from our culture.

And yes, the leprechaun you are staring at on the left is indeed, just as you thought, awesome.

Edited June 25, 2004 by thedude

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Amen.

[ironmonk]

I don't have time to read everthing or reply to everything... I'm on a business trip.

Pay attention to context people. Look at the WHOLE first post. NOT ONLY one line.

BECAUSE OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS... I am a conservative rep.


If someone is not pro-life, then they are not a real Christian. They miss the big picture.

If someone votes for someone that is anti-life when someone is running against them is pro-life, then if they claim to be Catholic, they understand very little of what it means to be Catholic.


For the rest of my comments - READ EACH BULLET - CONSIDER THEM TOGETHER.

TAKING ONE LINE OUT OF ABOUT 20 AND BASING A STATEMENT OFF OF IT IS FALICY... AKA FOOLISH...

but what else am I to expect from liberal democrats... I'm sorry, it's par for the course.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[Aloysius]

[quote name='PedroX' date='Jun 24 2004, 12:32 AM'] I love when we mix politics and religion like this! I am a Catholic, therefore I must believe in trickle down economic theory. Why? Its the only christian belief possible.

Give me a break.

peace... [/quote]
interesting.

because while i saw nothing in IronMonk's post that implied that Catholic teaching requires you to believe in Republican Economic Policies, it is very common for Catholic Democrats to imply that Catholic Teaching requires you to believe in Democratic Economic Policies.

i've never seen such from a Republican Catholic, though. I've seen them say that which is true: that according to Catholic Teaching you must believe in Pro-life policies which the Republican Part happens to also believe in. I've never seen them say that according to Catholic Teaching you must believe in Trickle Down economics or any Republican Policies.

but I have seen Democrat Catholics often-times assume that only Democrat Economic policies can be in line with Catholic Teaching. That is not true.

just an observation pAx

[Winchester]

The problem I see with going by economic policy is that it is a theory, and it does not deprive someone of all their rights, nor their basic, primary right, which I believe to be the right to life.

The unborn are truly innocent, and truly defenseless. If your boss is unjust to you, you have recourse, legal or otherwise. You who are born and feel the economic injustice is great enough, have options; the least of these not being revolt. The unborn have no such recourse, no such defense, and thus violation of them is the worst, and thus I reluctantly vote Republican in most cases.

[PedroX]

Al, I respect you and your opinions, but please go back and read the starting post.

[quote]I am a Conservative Republican because:
I know there is God
God does not change with time
I'm Catholic and the majority values pushed in the republican party are Catholic values. All the major issues are covered by the Rep. party. Unlike the democrat party.[/quote]


I am a Conservative Republican because...

Sorry, doesn't equal. People can believe in God and be members of various political parties. People can be faithful Catholics and be members of various political parties. The opening post was a logical fallacy. I just object, plain and simple.

peace...

[Aloysius]

"the majority values pushed in the republican party are Catholic values"
true

if the values pushed in the republican party are Catholic values then believing in God does mean that you should support the republican party until such a time as it is not the only party with a majority pushing values which are Catholic values.

[Aloysius]

side-note: i know more than a few people in the pro-life movement who are convinced we will never win because people refuse to vote pro-life because of their personally-based economic prejudices.

[PedroX]

Al,

The Republican party can really lay claim to one outstanding Catholic issue. Anti Abortion, and frankly it can't do that very well. Sen Specter from PA, Gov Ahnold from CA, and others are slowly but surely eating way at the party's one claim to good Catholic policy. Many others have jumped ship completely on the issue of embryo stem cells.

I am not saying that you can't be a good Catholic and vote Republican. I am certainly not saying that one should not vote pro-life, and only pro-life. All I am saying is that it is a stretch of Herculean proportion to claim that all good Catholics must self-identify as a Republican. This is what the first post laid claim to.

peace...

[Norseman82]

Well, if you remember Seven of Nine from Star Trek:Voyager, her ex-husband just quit the Senate race in Illinois over some steamy allegations in their divorce records. He is a pro-life Republican, but now the fear is that the GOP state central committee will replace him with a pro-abortion Republican, which would leave Illinois voters without a pro-life choice in November and a loss of a pro-life seat in the Senate.

[megamattman1]

[quote]but what else am I to expect from liberal democrats... I'm sorry, it's par for the course[/quote]

I'm not sure what you mean "it's par for the course". But who are you calling liberal democrats and why? It's not good tone, and again only shows your bias. In fact, it's the logical fallacy of ad hominem. Should we start saying what do we expect from a conservative republican?

I for one don't think I'm taking your quotes out of context, your intent is somewhat ambiguous, and depending on your true intent, your thread may be have an unhealthy bias.

[quote]I believe in teaching people how to fish while I give them a fish. I also know human nature, therefore I also believe 2 Thess. 3:10
I believe the less government the better.[/quote]
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. (and I'm not saying you said I am.. I'm just sayin ) That was not my intent. I just want to know if you think private people or the government should give the fish. If you are not for the government involvment, I'd like to know what you think of the bishop's
[quote]support for Food Stamps, the Special Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and other programs that directly benefit poor and low-income people[/quote]
[url="http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/bishopStatement.html"]http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/b...pStatement.html[/url]
Of course you'd advocate abortion above all that as you should. But I mean in and of itself if you are against the government involvment what do you think of this?
If you think the government should be involved, that does not fall into the republican party flatform, at least the stereotype I am aware of. Obviously they coined the word "compassionate conservative" for a reason. Maybe you're more moderate of a conservative in this point. Either way, if that was the case, I'd want clarification of how that point supports you being a con rep.


Even as taken as a whole, these points also need to be clarified. I don't see how they support your being a conservative republican.
[quote]
I believe that there is no such thing as a white lie
I believe that if a man cannot run his own household, then he should not be running a country
I believe that if a man contradicts himself constantly, he cannot be trusted for running a cash register let alone a country[/quote]

The God points are ambiguous. The fact that you used them is asking for trouble if you aren't clear. I realize you don't have time but sometime it would be good if you clarified them. I realize you might just be saying that con reps have your values and therefore you are a con rep, but it construed that you are insinuating more. So are you insinuating that to be true to God as a christian you should or must be a con rep?

If you do in the sense that they have the values that christians should tend toward, it would be constructive for you to claify your post and acknowledge that you can be another party and still hold to all those values. Or clarify and say why you think you have to be a con rep and can't be something else.

Edited June 26, 2004 by megamattman1

[PedroX]

Norse,

I have been following the crash and burn of Jerri Ryan's husband. Fascinating example of classic Illinois politics, and further proof that no party has morality sown up!

I keep feeling sorry for Jerri in all this. The only reason the papers became public was politics.

peace...

[curtins]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Jun 23 2004, 12:09 AM'] [b]I am a Conservative Republican because:[/b][list]
[*]I know there is God
[*]God does not change with time
[*]I'm Catholic and the majority values pushed in the republican party are Catholic values. All the major issues are covered by the Rep. party. Unlike the democrat party.
[*]I'm pro-life
[*]I believe in teaching people how to fish while I give them a fish. I also know human nature, therefore I also believe 2 Thess. 3:10
[*]I believe that marriage is between a man and woman
[*]I believe that less government is better.
[*]I believe that porn is not free speech or expression
[*]I believe that drugs should remain illegal
[*]I believe that unborn stem cells should not be used for anything; adult stem cells and umbilical cord stem cells are more promising
[*]The media distorts the truth to the point of lying
[*]I believe that God needs to be the cornerstone of what political leaders base their decisions on
[*]I believe that there is no such thing as a white lie
[*]I know that SPAM is not going to be taken care of in congress
[*]I believe that if a man cannot run his own household, then he should not be running a country
[*]I believe that over taxing the rich will cost the poor jobs. When the corporations get tax cuts, they expand.
[*]I believe that anyone who claims to be Catholic and does not believe in fundemental Catholic teaches, cannot be trusted. If a man cannot be True to God, how can he be true to other men?
[*]I believe that the government is not the answer for fixing everything
[*]I believe that teaching a 9 year old about oral sex is wrong
[*]I believe that passing out condoms to promote sex is wrong. Condoms ONLY protect people from 3 of the 63 known STD's. There is no such thing as safe sex
[*]I believe that if a man contradicts himself constantly, he cannot be trusted for running a cash register let alone a country
[*]I believe that those who claim to be Catholic, should know their faith, and follow it or get out.
[*]I believe that there is too much sex on TV
[*]I believe that it's ok to pray whenever you feel the need to and that schools should not prohibit such actions
[*]I believe that I have a right to wear a Catholic t-shirt in school or work and carry my bible
[/list]
God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
I agree with EVERYTHING you say

God bless you

and the rest of all you pms

cept the demo's.

sike jk

amen to all that you sed ironmonk