I Am A Conservative Republican Because...

[Aloysius]

[quote name='PedroX' date='Jun 24 2004, 12:32 AM'] I love when we mix politics and religion like this! I am a Catholic, therefore I must believe in trickle down economic theory. Why? Its the only christian belief possible.

Give me a break.

peace... [/quote]
interesting.

because while i saw nothing in IronMonk's post that implied that Catholic teaching requires you to believe in Republican Economic Policies, it is very common for Catholic Democrats to imply that Catholic Teaching requires you to believe in Democratic Economic Policies.

i've never seen such from a Republican Catholic, though. I've seen them say that which is true: that according to Catholic Teaching you must believe in Pro-life policies which the Republican Part happens to also believe in. I've never seen them say that according to Catholic Teaching you must believe in Trickle Down economics or any Republican Policies.

but I have seen Democrat Catholics often-times assume that only Democrat Economic policies can be in line with Catholic Teaching. That is not true.

just an observation pAx

[Winchester]

The problem I see with going by economic policy is that it is a theory, and it does not deprive someone of all their rights, nor their basic, primary right, which I believe to be the right to life.

The unborn are truly innocent, and truly defenseless. If your boss is unjust to you, you have recourse, legal or otherwise. You who are born and feel the economic injustice is great enough, have options; the least of these not being revolt. The unborn have no such recourse, no such defense, and thus violation of them is the worst, and thus I reluctantly vote Republican in most cases.

[PedroX]

Al, I respect you and your opinions, but please go back and read the starting post.

[quote]I am a Conservative Republican because:
I know there is God
God does not change with time
I'm Catholic and the majority values pushed in the republican party are Catholic values. All the major issues are covered by the Rep. party. Unlike the democrat party.[/quote]


I am a Conservative Republican because...

Sorry, doesn't equal. People can believe in God and be members of various political parties. People can be faithful Catholics and be members of various political parties. The opening post was a logical fallacy. I just object, plain and simple.

peace...

[Aloysius]

"the majority values pushed in the republican party are Catholic values"
true

if the values pushed in the republican party are Catholic values then believing in God does mean that you should support the republican party until such a time as it is not the only party with a majority pushing values which are Catholic values.

[Aloysius]

side-note: i know more than a few people in the pro-life movement who are convinced we will never win because people refuse to vote pro-life because of their personally-based economic prejudices.

[PedroX]

Al,

The Republican party can really lay claim to one outstanding Catholic issue. Anti Abortion, and frankly it can't do that very well. Sen Specter from PA, Gov Ahnold from CA, and others are slowly but surely eating way at the party's one claim to good Catholic policy. Many others have jumped ship completely on the issue of embryo stem cells.

I am not saying that you can't be a good Catholic and vote Republican. I am certainly not saying that one should not vote pro-life, and only pro-life. All I am saying is that it is a stretch of Herculean proportion to claim that all good Catholics must self-identify as a Republican. This is what the first post laid claim to.

peace...

[Norseman82]

Well, if you remember Seven of Nine from Star Trek:Voyager, her ex-husband just quit the Senate race in Illinois over some steamy allegations in their divorce records. He is a pro-life Republican, but now the fear is that the GOP state central committee will replace him with a pro-abortion Republican, which would leave Illinois voters without a pro-life choice in November and a loss of a pro-life seat in the Senate.

[megamattman1]

[quote]but what else am I to expect from liberal democrats... I'm sorry, it's par for the course[/quote]

I'm not sure what you mean "it's par for the course". But who are you calling liberal democrats and why? It's not good tone, and again only shows your bias. In fact, it's the logical fallacy of ad hominem. Should we start saying what do we expect from a conservative republican?

I for one don't think I'm taking your quotes out of context, your intent is somewhat ambiguous, and depending on your true intent, your thread may be have an unhealthy bias.

[quote]I believe in teaching people how to fish while I give them a fish. I also know human nature, therefore I also believe 2 Thess. 3:10
I believe the less government the better.[/quote]
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. (and I'm not saying you said I am.. I'm just sayin ) That was not my intent. I just want to know if you think private people or the government should give the fish. If you are not for the government involvment, I'd like to know what you think of the bishop's
[quote]support for Food Stamps, the Special Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), and other programs that directly benefit poor and low-income people[/quote]
[url="http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/bishopStatement.html"]http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/b...pStatement.html[/url]
Of course you'd advocate abortion above all that as you should. But I mean in and of itself if you are against the government involvment what do you think of this?
If you think the government should be involved, that does not fall into the republican party flatform, at least the stereotype I am aware of. Obviously they coined the word "compassionate conservative" for a reason. Maybe you're more moderate of a conservative in this point. Either way, if that was the case, I'd want clarification of how that point supports you being a con rep.


Even as taken as a whole, these points also need to be clarified. I don't see how they support your being a conservative republican.
[quote]
I believe that there is no such thing as a white lie
I believe that if a man cannot run his own household, then he should not be running a country
I believe that if a man contradicts himself constantly, he cannot be trusted for running a cash register let alone a country[/quote]

The God points are ambiguous. The fact that you used them is asking for trouble if you aren't clear. I realize you don't have time but sometime it would be good if you clarified them. I realize you might just be saying that con reps have your values and therefore you are a con rep, but it construed that you are insinuating more. So are you insinuating that to be true to God as a christian you should or must be a con rep?

If you do in the sense that they have the values that christians should tend toward, it would be constructive for you to claify your post and acknowledge that you can be another party and still hold to all those values. Or clarify and say why you think you have to be a con rep and can't be something else.

Edited June 26, 2004 by megamattman1

[PedroX]

Norse,

I have been following the crash and burn of Jerri Ryan's husband. Fascinating example of classic Illinois politics, and further proof that no party has morality sown up!

I keep feeling sorry for Jerri in all this. The only reason the papers became public was politics.

peace...

[curtins]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Jun 23 2004, 12:09 AM'] [b]I am a Conservative Republican because:[/b][list]
[*]I know there is God
[*]God does not change with time
[*]I'm Catholic and the majority values pushed in the republican party are Catholic values. All the major issues are covered by the Rep. party. Unlike the democrat party.
[*]I'm pro-life
[*]I believe in teaching people how to fish while I give them a fish. I also know human nature, therefore I also believe 2 Thess. 3:10
[*]I believe that marriage is between a man and woman
[*]I believe that less government is better.
[*]I believe that porn is not free speech or expression
[*]I believe that drugs should remain illegal
[*]I believe that unborn stem cells should not be used for anything; adult stem cells and umbilical cord stem cells are more promising
[*]The media distorts the truth to the point of lying
[*]I believe that God needs to be the cornerstone of what political leaders base their decisions on
[*]I believe that there is no such thing as a white lie
[*]I know that SPAM is not going to be taken care of in congress
[*]I believe that if a man cannot run his own household, then he should not be running a country
[*]I believe that over taxing the rich will cost the poor jobs. When the corporations get tax cuts, they expand.
[*]I believe that anyone who claims to be Catholic and does not believe in fundemental Catholic teaches, cannot be trusted. If a man cannot be True to God, how can he be true to other men?
[*]I believe that the government is not the answer for fixing everything
[*]I believe that teaching a 9 year old about oral sex is wrong
[*]I believe that passing out condoms to promote sex is wrong. Condoms ONLY protect people from 3 of the 63 known STD's. There is no such thing as safe sex
[*]I believe that if a man contradicts himself constantly, he cannot be trusted for running a cash register let alone a country
[*]I believe that those who claim to be Catholic, should know their faith, and follow it or get out.
[*]I believe that there is too much sex on TV
[*]I believe that it's ok to pray whenever you feel the need to and that schools should not prohibit such actions
[*]I believe that I have a right to wear a Catholic t-shirt in school or work and carry my bible
[/list]
God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
I agree with EVERYTHING you say

God bless you

and the rest of all you pms

cept the demo's.

sike jk

amen to all that you sed ironmonk

[PedroX]

Curtins,

not a very funny joke. This is exactly what drives me so crazy. Why do Catholics profess such an unswerving loyalty to a political party?

peace...

[curtins]

because I stand for what I beleive in, and what I beleive in can be found in the first post in this thread.

Along with the CCC

and im sorry you didnt find my joke funny

[curtins]

does anyone know of a website where i could see all of the candidates and their parties running for president this year

and what other parties are out there other than green republican and democrat??

besisdes communist and nazi

[mmmerf]

I'm a canadian, so I'll be voting conservative. I think they'll hurt the country economically, but their social policies are the only ones I can abide. So while they're certainly pests and parasites, they're the lesser of two weevils.

:haha:

If I were in the states I would vote Republican for Ironmonk's reasons stated above, and because I am convinced that the foremost american democrats (Kerry, Billary, et al) [color=red][Edited by IcePrincess: unnecessary comment.][/color]

Seriously. How could a human being veto the partial-birth abortion ban? Not once, not twice, but thrice? Yeeeeeeeeesh. Don't want to sit in on that conversation with St. Peter...

Bill Clinton? Lemme get your file....

hmmhmmm.. lewinsky... ahmmm... cigar... yesmmm... nothing new... partial bi-YOU DID [i]WHAT? [b]THREE TIMES?[/b][/i].

Not that I know anything about that and maybe he didn't know it was wrong and yadda yadda various disclaimer text here.

Cheers,

Dave

Edited June 27, 2004 by IcePrincessKRS

[IcePrincessKRS]

haha Making havoc in the board I'm supposed to moderate... I know this is already in a different thread but I still want people to go to these links (since Dem. vs Rep. seems to be a big issue these days) and read up.

Originally posted by Anna:

[quote]Before registering with a political party, one should read its platform, not just believe that it stands for what you think it might stand for!
The Democrat Party Platform should be reviewed, as well as the Republican Party Platform.
You might be surprised to learn what principles the parties really stand for.

I am neither Democrat nor Republican.

In New York State, we have a Right to Life political party. I'm a member, and former acting county chairman.  It is a single-issue party, 100% anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia. Respect for the Sanctity of innocent Human Life is the cornerstone of American civilization (or lack thereof).
Sorry, but its website ~
[url="http://www.nysrighttolifeparty.org"]http://www.nysrighttolifeparty.org[/url] ~ is under construction.

Pax Christi. <>< [/quote]

Edited June 27, 2004 by IcePrincessKRS