Donald Trump and Racism

[dUSt]

I like to think positively. Maybe Trump's racism will make the Republican party look in the mirror, distance itself from racism, and actually DO something to get more than 7% of the black vote in the future. There is no better opportunity than now.

[dominicansoul]

1 hour ago, dUSt said:

I like to think positively. Maybe Trump's racism will make the Republican party look in the mirror, distance itself from racism, and actually DO something to get more than 7% of the black vote in the future. There is no better opportunity than now.

Well, we've tried to nominate black men in the past, but the liberal mainstream media were quick to call them uncle toms.  

Nothing the Republican party does works because they are fighting against a powerful instrument of the Democrat Party:  all the major networks, social media outlets, hollywood.  This belief that Republicans are racists and hate minorities has been ingrained in minorities for decades.  Trump isn't the first to be accused and definitely won't be the last.  

[Seven77]

55 minutes ago, dominicansoul said:

This belief that Republicans are racists and hate minorities has been ingrained in minorities for decades.  Trump isn't the first to be accused and definitely won't be the last.  

 

Maybe it's because the Republican Party has done such a stellar job of proving them wrong. Anyhow, hoping that things get better like Dust said.

[havok579257]

1 hour ago, dominicansoul said:

Well, we've tried to nominate black men in the past, but the liberal mainstream media were quick to call them uncle toms.  

Nothing the Republican party does works because they are fighting against a powerful instrument of the Democrat Party:  all the major networks, social media outlets, hollywood.  This belief that Republicans are racists and hate minorities has been ingrained in minorities for decades.  Trump isn't the first to be accused and definitely won't be the last.  

the problem is the republican party does not have a strong message or action plan for the black community,  they have strong plans for small business owners, pro life advocates, gun owners and such but they have a poor message for black america.  they need to put a strong plan into action to address the concerns of black american's.  all they seem to do is talk about that the democrats haven't done anything for the black voter for years but offer no real solutions specific to black american's.

[dairygirl4u2c]

it's not that republicans are considered racist, though that has some to do with it. it's that it's common sense that a disenfranchised minority will back the party that ensures they have a strong, or any, social safety net. it's not like repubicans have to be opposed to all that, but it's not the stereotype and it goes against party line orthodoxy to be different. some republicans will make you think they have plans that will be better than what democrats offer but give no specifics other than vague ideas of economic growth, that never seems to occur for blacks or those who are disenfranchised, when repubicans are in power. if you want to feed people who are starving, giving them food makes a lot more sense than hoping they can find a way to earn it, one way is guaranteed and the other is not and hasn't panned out in the past either. republican plans are just hubris to these who are disenfranchised. 

and it is hurbris. most economic plans revitalize those places with money. it's almost surely a reality that ghettos are a fact of life, nothing that you are going to revitalize. what can we do for these people? the only thing guaranteed to an adult with no disabilities is food and education, with a very small minority of these people getting housing assistance. everything else depends on the state, but most states don't offer a much more. basically, the idea of a runaway welfare state is a myth. so it's not even like the blacks and minorities are getting all that much in return... they're just trying to hold on to what little they have. 

Edited August 29, 2017 by dairygirl4u2c

[KnightofChrist]

There is absolutely nothing the Republican Party can do that will stop people on the left from calling it racist and sexist. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. It doesn't matter what they do and it most certainly doesn't matter what they have done for minorities and women. History doesn't make a difference. It doesn't matter what solution you or it can come up with. Republicans will always be seen as racist, sexist bigots. And it will never be the right time to point out the numerous trees stuck in the eyes of the Democrat Party when they perpetually scream "racist, sexist bigots!"

Anyway I hope this thread has been successful in generating traffic for Phatmass. It's been a little slow lately.

[dominicansoul]

4 hours ago, Seven77 said:

Maybe it's because the Republican Party has done such a stellar job of proving them wrong. Anyhow, hoping that things get better like Dust said.

 

For me, they need to prove they aren't a bunch of leftists commies.  Too many rhinos, not racists, in today's Republican party.  I'm more concerned about that...

 

 

 

Edited August 29, 2017 by dominicansoul

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[Amppax]

8 hours ago, dUSt said:

I like to think positively. Maybe Trump's racism will make the Republican party look in the mirror, distance itself from racism, and actually DO something to get more than 7% of the black vote in the future. There is no better opportunity than now.

Lol, good luck with that. I gave up that hope a looong time ago. 

Which I'm sure, makes me a godless pinko commie. Oh well. 

[Seven77]

On 8/27/2017 at 11:04 AM, dominicansoul said:

Well, this isn't actually a thread about institutionalized racism.  If you want to discuss that, start a thread. The title is "Trump and racism" which means it has a political spin to it and of course democrats are gonna be part of the discussion. 

See, that's part of the problem. This thread is indeed about institutional racism because of the title…To say otherwise is to deny that it exists. Whether or not the president is a straight up racist, his public statements certainly seem to suggest that he doesn't consider racism as a problem and as something that is still ingrained in our society in different ways.

Again, ok,  the Democrat party started out the way it did but I'm looking at the way the parties exist today… Neither one of them have truly effective policies for ending the problem of racism--- but the Republican party as a whole does not seem to be trying very hard in my opinion.

 ultimately the solution will not be found in politics as it exists today…

2 hours ago, dominicansoul said:

 

For me, they need to prove they aren't a bunch of leftists commies.  Too many rhinos, not racists, in today's Republican party.  I'm more concerned about that...

 

 

 

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If you think that there are too many "leftists commies" In the  Republican party, then what must you think of us,  we who are the other side of the argument here in this thread.lol

[vee]

2 hours ago, dominicansoul said:

 

For me, they need to prove they aren't a bunch of leftists commies.  Too many rhinos, not racists, in today's Republican party.  I'm more concerned about that...

 

 

 

Etc etc blah blah

ur just a republican racist bigot transracial clumbsy goat 

[dominicansoul]

36 minutes ago, Seven77 said:

See, that's part of the problem. This thread is indeed about institutional racism because of the title…To say otherwise is to deny that it exists. Whether or not the president is a straight up racist, his public statements certainly seem to suggest that he doesn't consider racism as a problem and as something that is still ingrained in our society in different ways.

Again, ok,  the Democrat party started out the way it did but I'm looking at the way the parties exist today… Neither one of them have truly effective policies for ending the problem of racism--- but the Republican party as a whole does not seem to be trying very hard in my opinion.

 ultimately the solution will not be found in politics as it exists today…

If you think that there are too many "leftists commies" In the  Republican party, then what must you think of us,  we who are the other side of the argument here in this thread.lol

Well I always think of you with upmost respect.  

I think many of you, like era thinks I am, are duped.  Honestly i don't believe racist incidents in this country are multiplying and dominating our culture.  I do believe it still exist, but I don't believe it's as bad as leftists want us to believe.  I think the left tends to exaggerate.  ive been conditioned not to trust anything I hear from the mainstream media.  In fact I tend to think things are just the opposite of what the media portrays. 

I live in Texas.  There are hundreds of stories this week showing people helping other people regardless of race, sexual orientation, religion, wealthy or poor.  I don't put my hope in politicians at all.  My hope is in the American people whom the majority doesn't fall for the divisive  tactics of the left.  I love my state.  ❤️

16 minutes ago, vee said:

Etc etc blah blah

ur just a republican racist bigot transracial clumbsy goat 

I've been waiting for someone to call me this.  On to troll another thread! lol

Edited August 30, 2017 by dominicansoul

[KnightofChrist]

1 hour ago, Seven77 said:

See, that's part of the problem. This thread is indeed about institutional racism because of the title…To say otherwise is to deny that it exists. Whether or not the president is a straight up racist, his public statements certainly seem to suggest that he doesn't consider racism as a problem and as something that is still ingrained in our society in different ways.

Again, ok,  the Democrat party started out the way it did but I'm looking at the way the parties exist today… Neither one of them have truly effective policies for ending the problem of racism--- but the Republican party as a whole does not seem to be trying very hard in my opinion.

 ultimately the solution will not be found in politics as it exists today…

If you think that there are too many "leftists commies" In the  Republican party, then what must you think of us,  we who are the other side of the argument here in this thread.lol

I don't think it's very clear from the title of the thread or the OP that the subject matter is about institutional racism. It seems rather to about Donald Trump/Republicans being a racist. But even if the topic is about institutional racism of the two parties today my previous posts apply to that subject as well. The same institutions both political and financial that were big players in institutional racism of the past, and have never apologized, are today big players in the institutional racism that some members of PM seem to want to avoid talking about.

Abortion is a fundamental part of today's institutional racism. The majority of Abortion clinics are in minority neighborhoods. Abortion kills a disproportionately higher number of black children. In some bigger cities more black children are aborted than are born. And we have the same Party that advocated slavery advocating Abortion and again there are people here who seem not to want to make the clear connection. 

Just imagine if the Nazi party as an institution survived WWII. And went from the party of the Holocaust to crowning itself as the advocate and defender of the Jewish people all while defending abortion that targeted Jewish communities and Jewish children. The past would matter in that case, I would hope, because it would give one a clearer picture of the present.

The "Trump is a racist" never seems to be a very clear argument. It seems to always be vague and wrapped up in "feels", but even if he is racist, I see nothing that compares to the institutional racism of the Democrat Party via Abortion and I don't understand why some of us poopoo talking about that part of the subject.

 

 

[Papist]

Either you agree that Trump is a facist, racist, etc. or you are a Nazi.   This is all so boring.

[little2add]

26 minutes ago, Papist said:

Trump is a facist, racist, etc

Point well taken 

[dUSt]

17 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

There is absolutely nothing the Republican Party can do that will stop people on the left from calling it racist and sexist. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. It doesn't matter what they do and it most certainly doesn't matter what they have done for minorities and women. History doesn't make a difference. It doesn't matter what solution you or it can come up with. Republicans will always be seen as racist, sexist bigots. And it will never be the right time to point out the numerous trees stuck in the eyes of the Democrat Party when they perpetually scream "racist, sexist bigots!"

Anyway I hope this thread has been successful in generating traffic for Phatmass. It's been a little slow lately.

Well, this is certainly not a "can do" attitude. My real job is in corporate communications for a fortune 500 company. I can say for a fact that there is a TON the Republican party can do, purely from a communications and marketing standpoint, that they are currently not doing. I couldn't disagree with you more.

[little2add]

 

 

God bless Merica

[Papist]

[little2add]

20 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

if the topic is about institutional racism of the two parties today my previous posts apply to that subject as well. The same institutions both political and financial that were big players in institutional racism of the past, and have never apologized, are today big players in the institutional racism that some members of PM seem to want to avoid talking about.

 

 

[Seven77]

20 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

I don't think it's very clear from the title of the thread or the OP that the subject matter is about institutional racism. It seems rather to about Donald Trump/Republicans being a racist. But even if the topic is about institutional racism of the two parties today my previous posts apply to that subject as well. The same institutions both political and financial that were big players in institutional racism of the past, and have never apologized, are today big players in the institutional racism that some members of PM seem to want to avoid talking about.

Abortion is a fundamental part of today's institutional racism. The majority of Abortion clinics are in minority neighborhoods. Abortion kills a disproportionately higher number of black children. In some bigger cities more black children are aborted than are born. And we have the same Party that advocated slavery advocating Abortion and again there are people here who seem not to want to make the clear connection. 

Just imagine if the Nazi party as an institution survived WWII. And went from the party of the Holocaust to crowning itself as the advocate and defender of the Jewish people all while defending abortion that targeted Jewish communities and Jewish children. The past would matter in that case, I would hope, because it would give one a clearer picture of the present.

The "Trump is a racist" never seems to be a very clear argument. It seems to always be vague and wrapped up in "feels", but even if he is racist, I see nothing that compares to the institutional racism of the Democrat Party via Abortion and I don't understand why some of us poopoo talking about that part of the subject.

 

 

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But even as you implicitly acknowledge, racism in this country IS institutional racism. It's one and the same whether we talk about abortion or the KKK or the incarceration rate.

Political platforms in the USA seem to flip-flop on issues and I don't think the way that the parties operate today have much to do with the way they operated in the past.  Even if they do, who cares, racism should be denounced regardless of where it is found.

Obviously, nothing compares in gravity to abortion. I'm pretty sure most of us agree on this point whether you think so or not.  However, it seems to me, if we are serious about the business of changing hearts, we will acknowledge other problems as well and thus show that we are truly concerned about the life of other human beings. if you care about the lives of unborn black babies, why not care about lives of born black adults too?  We're talking about two sides of the same coin here.  Please, let's think this through.

I don't know whether or not the president is racist.  But his rhetoric sure isn't helping to eliminate racism--- actually seems to be provoking and advancing it.