dominicansoul Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, little2add said: God bless Merica Texans showing America how it's done. also I have to continue to disagree, trumps rhetoric isn't enflaming racism the liberal mass media is. Sure he says a lot of stupid things. But not with this Charlottesville tragedy. He didn't say what you think he said. The media twist his words as much as they twist papa Francis' words and they do it to fit their liberal propaganda and liberal agenda! It works! It's got half of u fooled! The liberal mass media elevated this racial division when Hussein was president. It got so bad that thugs became heroes and heroes became criminal racists in the mindset of the brainwashed. we have even seen assasinations and attempted assasination because of liberal propaganda. The brainwashed soak that poo up and act out violently. Then they try to justify it because they think they're killing bigots and racists!!! They are just as bad as the KKK! Liberals were so happy when that republican senator got shot. After all he's a racist!! And those cops deserved to be ambushed and slain cos they.are.racist!!! But let's ignore this and not bring up the democrat party. They have nothing to do with racism. the essence of cow! Edited August 31, 2017 by dominicansoul
havok579257 Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 10 hours ago, dominicansoul said: Texans showing America how it's done. also I have to continue to disagree, trumps rhetoric isn't enflaming racism the liberal mass media is. Sure he says a lot of stupid things. But not with this Charlottesville tragedy. He didn't say what you think he said. The media twist his words as much as they twist papa Francis' words and they do it to fit their liberal propaganda and liberal agenda! It works! It's got half of u fooled! The liberal mass media elevated this racial division when Hussein was president. It got so bad that thugs became heroes and heroes became criminal racists in the mindset of the brainwashed. we have even seen assasinations and attempted assasination because of liberal propaganda. The brainwashed soak that poo up and act out violently. Then they try to justify it because they think they're killing bigots and racists!!! They are just as bad as the KKK! Liberals were so happy when that republican senator got shot. After all he's a racist!! And those cops deserved to be ambushed and slain cos they.are.racist!!! But let's ignore this and not bring up the democrat party. They have nothing to do with racism. the essence of cow! the issue is it was not just the media when it comes to charlottesville it was also the republican party and their members and even Trumps cabinet members who what Trump said. this incident was not isolated to the media the criticism was coming from both sides and even his allies. the issue with what Trump said was he said there were good people on both sides. there were not good people in the KKK and white supremacy group who were at the protest. he doesn't get a pass for claiming their were good people on both sides. there were not. Trump makes things 1 million times worse for himself by not distancing himself from the alt-right the instance they do something or say something horrible. he eventually condemns their actions but only after people in his own party condemn these actions or words. it seems to me trump might not support the alt-right but he knows they helped vote him in office so he is slow to condemn them because let's be honest, if the alt-right doesn't vote for him as much, he won't win re-election. Trump has managed to alienate democrats, liberals and republicans which is not the media's doing but his own by using twitter. also if he doesn't want to look like a racist, he shouldn't pardon people who come break the law and destroy people's civil liberties. there are a lot more deserving people to be pardoned than someone who holds no respect for the law and flaunted it and uses racist practices in their job.
KnightofChrist Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 With all this talk about what Trump said has anyone here posted full transcripts of all his statements on Charlottesville? Im not seeing it. I'll post it after work if I remember. No time now. The Nazi/KKK were there but so was the violent leftist group Antifa which was indeed at least partly to blame in the acts of violence. They love violence, baseball bats, beating up vets in wheelchairs, beating people up with bike locks, throwing urine on police, advocate "peace through violence". How many people here are aware of Antifa? There were also a few good people on both sides who were not extremists there too. Regular normal people in favour of the statue and against.
havok579257 Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, KnightofChrist said: With all this talk about what Trump said has anyone here posted full transcripts of all his statements on Charlottesville? Im not seeing it. I'll post it after work if I remember. No time now. The Nazi/KKK were there but so was the violent leftist group Antifa which was indeed at least partly to blame in the acts of violence. They love violence, baseball bats, beating up vets in wheelchairs, beating people up with bike locks, throwing urine on police, advocate "peace through violence". How many people here are aware of Antifa? There were also a few good people on both sides who were not extremists there too. Regular normal people in favour of the statue and against. i don't buy the logic that there were good people on both sides. i don't buy the logic some people were just there protesting the statues removal. if you are there protesting the statues removal and the KKK and white supremacists show up spouting their hate speech, you don't stay. you leave and don't associate with them. i don't care that they have a similar concerns on the statues as you do. you do not associate with these people. its no different than if a person was protesting the statues removal and planned parenthood showed up to join in your cause but at the same time was screaming about aborting babies. i don't care that you both agree on the statues removal. you don't stay protesting with them about the statue when at the same time they are chanting about aborting babies. so if someone was with the kkk and white supremacists, i would not consider them good people. the same goes for the left. if antifa shows up to protest what you are, you don't stay. you leave and do not be associated with these people.
Seven77 Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 1 minute ago, havok579257 said: i don't buy the logic that there were good people on both sides. i don't buy the logic some people were just there protesting the statues removal. if you are there protesting the statues removal and the KKK and white supremacists show up spouting their hate speech, you don't stay. you leave and don't associate with them. i don't care that they have a similar concerns on the statues as you do. you do not associate with these people. its no different than if a person was protesting the statues removal and planned parenthood showed up to join in your cause but at the same time was screaming about aborting babies. i don't care that you both agree on the statues removal. you don't stay protesting with them about the statue when at the same time they are chanting about aborting babies. so if someone was with the kkk and white supremacists, i would not consider them good people. the same goes for the left. if antifa shows up to protest what you are, you don't stay. you leave and do not be associated with these people. 17 Exactly. If you don't agree with what the main spokesman is saying, then don't stay because he doesn't represent you. I think that Trump's Charlottesville comments are ambiguous and vague at best. They were also kind of contradictory. He said that both • sides were responsible and that he said that there were good people on both sides. I would like to see the transcripts.
dUSt Posted August 31, 2017 Author Posted August 31, 2017 I tried using the Google to find the "good people on both sides" transcript, and I can't find it. Did he actually say that? lol
Anomaly Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 19 minutes ago, dUSt said: I tried using the Google to find the "good people on both sides" transcript, and I can't find it. Did he actually say that? lol In your opinion, is it possible to be supportive of keeping the Confederate monument without racist intent?
havok579257 Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, Anomaly said: In your opinion, is it possible to be supportive of keeping the Confederate monument without racist intent? i'll jump in even though its not addressed to me. i say yes your can support it without being racist but you need to understand what it means to black people. its a sign of oppression and a symbol of when their people were treated and looked at as worse than animals. so you need to understand why people want them down and that they should come down. i also believe someone can support planned parenthood without being someone who supports baby killings. although they would need to understand why it would bother a lot of people to have a statue of the founder of planned parenthood paid for by tax payer money and supported by the government and why it needs to come down.
Anomaly Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 2 hours ago, dUSt said: I tried using the Google to find the "good people on both sides" transcript, and I can't find it. Did he actually say that? lol @dUSt , in your opinion, could a "good" person support the statue without being a racist?
Seven77 Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, dUSt said: I tried using the Google to find the "good fine people on both sides" transcript, and I can't find it. Did he actually say that? lol Heard him say it with my two ears. http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/15/trump-says-there-were-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides-of-charlottesville-protest-6855040/ Edited September 1, 2017 by Seven77
dUSt Posted September 1, 2017 Author Posted September 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Anomaly said: In your opinion, is it possible to be supportive of keeping the Confederate monument without racist intent? Yes. Condaleeza Rice was against removing confederate statues, and it's impossible for her to be racist. When read in context, what Trump said actually isn't as racist as I first thought... "Reporter: Neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest the removal of the statue. Trump: Excuse me. You had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. " So, instead of him saying that there were "very fine people" in the neo-nazi group, he actually first said that group was bad, and then implied the "very fine people" were not in that group. I must say, he might have a point about the whole fake news thing.
Ice_nine Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 But when asked specifically to denounce white supremacists groups, he said nothing. I believe it was when he was signing an unrelated bill some days later. Sometimes no answer speaks volumes.
KnightofChrist Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 19 minutes ago, Ice_nine said: But when asked specifically to denounce white supremacists groups, he said nothing. I believe it was when he was signing an unrelated bill some days later. Sometimes no answer speaks volumes. Perhaps he is tired of being asked the question having condemned racism, bigotry, racists and bigots as though he has not done so for the pass 17 years. https://youtu.be/hoXThCb8EZA
Anomaly Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Many people fall for the hyperbolic sensationalism in the media that is not intended to inform but to inflame merely for viewers, clicks, or to push a secondary agenda. This type of reporting isn't "fake" news, but it isn't accurate. Everyone has bias, intentional or subconscious. Nothing said is 100% true or false as we are tricked to believe. These Confederate Monuments are not a Black OR White issue, they are a Black AND White issue. Both sides have valid and reasonable points that should be considered with fine people on both sides. Together there can be a compromise. Making it into an OR issue just creates a conflict for a winner and a loser. In that case, of course inevitably there will be be violence. We had the Civil War because there could no longer be a compromise on slavery, but slavery was only one of the reasons people fought, sacrificed, and died.
havok579257 Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, KnightofChrist said: Perhaps he is tired of being asked the question having condemned racism, bigotry, racists and bigots as though he has not done so for the pass 17 years. https://youtu.be/hoXThCb8EZA he's a politicians, that's part of his job. he is going to be hounded by the media over and over with the same questions asking him to condemn something. the conservative media is currently doing the same thing with anifa. its part of the job. as much as the media tries to attack a politician or make them look bad, the politician is still required to answer questions the media asks. not "for" the media but for the american people.
Ice_nine Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 9 hours ago, KnightofChrist said: Perhaps he is tired of being asked the question having condemned racism, bigotry, racists and bigots as though he has not done so for the pass 17 years. https://youtu.be/hoXThCb8EZA meh
dominicansoul Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) "When people assume things they make asses out of themselves." Is that how that saying goes? Or am I missing something... Edited September 2, 2017 by dominicansoul
vee Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 1 minute ago, dominicansoul said: "When people assume things they make asses out of themselves." Is that how that saying goes? Or am I missing something... its ass out of u and me. Dumbass
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