Mental Illness, Politics, and Guns

[little2add]

not insane, mentally ill must be "bat poo crazy" then

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

5 hours ago, CatherineM said:

I’ve sat across the table from a couple of dozen murderers. A couple were actual serial killers. Most were drunk or high when they committed their crimes. Many were mentally disabled, especially silly with fetal alcohol. This Cruz kid has classic signs of that in his facial development. 

Yeah the face I think also shows signs of what sort of narcotic the mother was on also or pot, if she was an addict. Maybe to help mums and bubs off to the best start we could open up kind of rehabs specieficaly for pregnant mothers. That would be great I think.

[Anomaly]

Mass shootings is a societal issue.    It is NOT just guns or money spent on mental health.  

What is it in our society that encourages damaged or offended  people to “act out” by killing lots of innocents?

Is it done “with guns” simply because guns are available, not done “because guns”are available?   Cruz had issues for a long time.   The Columbine kids planned for awhile.    Would the outcome have been much different if they decided to drive a car through a school assembly or set the school on fire?

We've had guns for centuries.  We haven’t had mass killings like this though.   The only reason why 13 people died at Columbine is because the bombs they put on the school propane tanks did not go off and would have killed hundreds.  

Politicians and the media are getting votes and ad dollars by making this about how the killings are done and we aren’t addressing why it’s being done.  We won’t come up with viable answers if we fail to ask the right questions.  

Edited February 19, 2018 by Anomaly

[Anomaly]

Mass shootings is a societal issue.    It is NOT just guns or money spent on mental health.  

What is it in our society that encourages damaged or offended  people to “act out” by killing lots of innocents?

Is it done “with guns” simply because guns are available, not done “because guns”are available?   Cruz had issues for a long time.   The Columbine kids planned for awhile.    Would the outcome have been much different if they decided to drive a car through a school assembly or set the school on fire?

We've had guns for centuries.  We haven’t had mass killings like this though.   The only reason why 12 people died at Columbine is because the bombs they put on the school propane tanks did not go off and would have killed hundreds.  

Politicians and the media are getting votes and ad dollars by making this about how the killings are done and we aren’t addressing why it’s being done.  

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I like how someone stated about environment impacting mental health. I'm unwell if I'm not around people that are christian and of the same moral beliefs as me when it comes to idols and sin being a no no. And not only social environment but housing as well, heaping all the mentally unwell who can't manage work in ghettos is like living in a powder keg with everyone about to explode, in any kind of flats really due to social anxieties its easier to get along with two neighbours rather then manage 25-300. You have the social phobia but also the need to be around others, its extremely confusing.

Its very important to help sufferers of mental illness to be independent and not co dependent on another or criminal activity in the matters of the basics of living which when attained create a sense of achievement and belonging to the working world.

Spread government housing through private flats and suburbs and not heap them all together and the criminal activity would be reduced I rekon by at least 30% as the poor are spread amongst the population and the general population naturally overtime takes more responsibility for them instead of just govnt services, but in the case of murder Jesus says it stems from anger.

U.S.A, CANADA, N.Z and AUSTRALIA all heap the poor in the same areas which is not healthy for them and the rich hypocrits with an allergy to the poverty that is caused by there greed staring them in the face so they deliberately isolate them and make them rely on each other and become worse then what they actually are so they can feel safe in there conscience that there better then the poor like the pharisee and the tax collector in the temple. Capitalist PIGS! and most of the middle class kinda agree with the pigs coz there earning a bucket. Mix and match suburbs and flats, poor, lower, middle and upper. Well to do snobs want nothing to do with the poor, and hence the poor revolts with crime. I'd be angry too if no one loved me enough to care about my social environment, economic environment etc and or the general society thought I wasn't worth trying to understand and help to get well. But everyone's got there problems hey and life's hard, maybe we are all a little unwell and need healing so we can help each other.

[SaintOfVirtue]

I think it is the systematic devaluation of human life coupled with the increased focus on one's self as being the center of the universe that has developed the circumstances leading to these events.  In the cases I am familiar with the killer's intent is to bring focus to himself; to be "remembered in infamy." Ergo, for the killers, these crimes are more about how many the victims are vice who the victims are.  Guns are their weapon of choice but even in countries without guns mass violence occurs. The same day as the Sandy Hook massacre twenty three children were stabbed and slashed by a man with a knife in china.  Take away guns and you only change the weapon that would be used for the violence.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Yeah your correct virtue. Capitalism and communism sux. 

Australia has masses of amounts of charitable organisations, ample govt funded social services for the poor and mentally ill, but killings and violence still happen in the government housing sectors but for some reason we don't get the mass killings, yet anyway, socially we are still very democratic and it isn't as clicky with haves and have nots including something as simple as having a girlfriend or not. As far as I'm aware the u.s goes into craze mania and Australia is kinda had that as well in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s but since the towers went down we have become a bit more prudent in our choices of who and what to follow or believe in so to speak and with the girlfriend thing because u.s was predominately Protestant marriage is idolised above and beyond celebacy and abstinence, and therefore in the psyche of your nation to loose a girlfriend or not have one puts a croutons load of pressure on a bloke especially post Hollywood if she was what popular culture believes to be hot or a smart and innovative feminist on the education side of the coin. Idk sounds to me like his ego got damaged after his girlfriend broke up with him or he her and from that momment on he has been struggling to prove his manhood which got twisted into pain tolerance/self mutilation and perhaps despair and wanting to go to jail for life or get the death penalty being unable to cope and the infamy is just a cover for his lack of self confidence after the heartbreak. 

Popularity and self confidence mean a lot to most in the u.s.a Im led to believe.

[little2add]

2 hours ago, Tab'le De'Bah-Rye said:

Idk sounds to me like his ego got damaged after his girlfriend broke up with him or he her

no offense, but that's crazy talk.  your concept of American thinking is a fallacy

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

3 minutes ago, little2add said:

no offense, but that's crazy talk.  your concept of American thinking is a fallacy

For the older generations perhaps and religious folk but perhaps not the youth and those outside of religion under about 60 now. Its a generalisation of a minum big chunk but definitely not the whole. Movie sales and the top 40 prove it.

And increased add breaks with catchy jingles to get inside peoples headz,lol, face it your hippy trippy lay lahs. Lol. 

That was meant to say lah lahs, death to auto correct. Arghhhh

 

Edited February 19, 2018 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[little2add]

33 minutes ago, Tab'le De'Bah-Rye said:

For the older generations perhaps and religious folk

really? 

what kind of law (that would work) do you think is needed to stop the kind of thing?

 

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Luke! I am your Father.  throw down your idols and come back home, I love you my son let me clean you of your rebellion. 

Law of man can not fix a broken heart, only love, faith and hope.

The rebellion being idol worship. How can catholic Americans expect to influence mainstream u.s.a if they have idols in one hand and the crucifix in another, any catholic for that matter. Popular culture is the large chunk of the majority and the majority isn't catholic.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[little2add]

I don’t get it.  What are you talking about?

[little2add]

 like

also: drivers licence to operate  -  operators license to use

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Just war doctrine aside. Thou shalt not kill. Jesus "he that lays down his life for my sake..." Even life can become an idol, Jesus "what is it worth to gain the whole world and loose your very soul." Jesus "fear not he that can destroy your body but the one who can destroy both the body and soul."

How can we expect to stop the genocide of abortion if we too will kill to save our own life, most of these women believe the baby will end there life. Its the same concept at the core, live or die, the things of heaven or earth. A gun says you have the right to kill and you do, but all is lawful but not all beneficial,even without guns people kill but whether lawful or not its the principal, thou shalt not kill, no catholic should support instruments of death in the hands of the general population. But I get the whole 5th amendment in case a dictator gets in the people can defend themselves because they don't believe in heaven and the commandment "thou shalt not kill." Impossible to uphold this commandment if you love anything more then god and the promise of heaven, family and friends included. That's what I believe anyway, believe what yuz want, god will be the judge in the end anyway.

Edited February 21, 2018 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[GreenScapularedHuman]

7 hours ago, Tab'le De'Bah-Rye said:

A gun says you have the right to kill and you do

No one has a right to kill. Ever. Under any circumstance. Killing is the deliberate doing wrong because the alternative is more wrong, thus in American law and natural law it is argued that self-defense is permissible and sometimes required. But the minimizing and avoiding of that wrong is the goal.

Also even if self-defense plan to be arrested and indicted.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

2 hours ago, GreenScapularedHuman said:

No one has a right to kill. Ever. Under any circumstance. Killing is the deliberate doing wrong because the alternative is more wrong, thus in American law and natural law it is argued that self-defense is permissible and sometimes required. But the minimizing and avoiding of that wrong is the goal.

Also even if self-defense plan to be arrested and indicted.

Your wrong man you have the right to do anything you want to no matter what any law says. The law says "thou shalt not kill" because you are denying another beings right to live/choose. The ultimate sin. But you can deny another's right to live if you want but it is the enemy of love.

Truth is Anyone can do whatever the hell they want to despite any law. But if you believe in love you don't break the law. Laws of god that is.

Truth is Anyone can do whatever the hell they want to despite any law. But if you believe in love you don't break the law. Laws of god that is.

If you love others you will keep the commandments naturally, including loving god not the world. Love is not a law or commandment it is the truth, either you know the truth or you don't. Simple.

We don't need laws to illuminate the truth. Either one is a goat or a sheep, a lover or a fighter, and some claim pacifist but there passive in the sense of violence but will oppress you emotionally, this isn't love.

Edited February 21, 2018 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Laws are nescisary for satinists that rob, lie, kill, cheat and destroy without them. If mankind listened to his soul more then his heart or head he would have no need for law, just love.

If you knew love you would never ever take another's life even if it meant loosing yours, just like Jesus!

What makes one life more important then another's? What about the pharisee and tax collector in the temple? Hypocrits!

[GreenScapularedHuman]

@Tab'le De'Bah-Rye I think you are grossly misunderstanding and misusing the word 'right'. I would encourage you to look at the definition of 'right' and reflect upon it.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Violence begats violence. Jesus " I say unto you if you have anger in your heart you are already a murderer."

 

You need law because you know not love. Your hearts are deceived. But that's how it is until Jesus returns.

If love was your law you would understand. Though some need to be locked up because love protects and not only that gives people time out to repent. Your death penalty sux as much as abortion.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Those without sin cast the first stone.

Praise the lord that your a holy roman catholic belonging to no nation.

 Though we must vote and be politically active out of love for all people.

 

Be a papist not a nationalist. Jesus " be in the world but not of it."