Vaccine

[Anomaly]

I work in an industry that “work from home” is not an option for me or my crews.  My mom and my father in law have been vaccinated.  I live in Florida, where they are aggressively making the vaccines available as an option.   I’m in great health but can get a shot Thursday.  I’m doing it because it makes it less of a worry that I could infect coworker and disrupt other’s lives.   I’ve seen people get sick , have long term health issues, die, or have financial issues.   And yes, I’m tired of wearing a mask in 80 degree outside.  
I want to see friends and family, and stop being as careful. 

[ReasonableFaith]

On 3/3/2021 at 3:51 PM, fides' Jack said:

Conclusion:

Interestingly the linked article, also linked through a LifeSiteNews article, offers its very own explanation for the observed occurrences in the older (over 65) population. The directly linked article can be somewhat difficult to digest due to the original language. The portion of the article concerning the younger age groups seems easier to follow. The basic conclusion is this:

A number of persons in this age group (X) were vaccinated. Statistical analysis shows the rate of persons in this age group expected to die from COVID related illnesses over a certain period of weeks (t) is Y. The number of vaccinated persons in this age group who died over this period (t) is Z. 
 

(X*Y)/t < Z...so sound the alarms!

No mention is made in the article of the causes of death of these persons (Z). From what the article states persons may have died from any cause. These vaccines will not prevent one from dying from something unrelated to the virus, such a slipping on a banana peel and suffering life-ending injuries. 

As it must, the conspiratorial net has widened and now must include Israeli national health services as well as individual Israeli medical institutions and individual Israeli health professionals.  In additional the authors have claimed they have been prevented from presenting their ‘findings’ by government, corporate, or individual actors, yet we read the article here. Media reporters are constantly on the hunt to be the first to ‘get the scoop’ or weigh in on explosive stories, yet in order to advance the conspiracy of the hidden widespread deleterious effects of these vaccines one must pass a mountain of evidence to the contrary on a trip to the farthest reaches of the internet and it’s associated medias.  

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by ReasonableFaith
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[fides' Jack]

On 3/13/2021 at 4:17 PM, ReasonableFaith said:

(X*Y)/t < Z...so sound the alarms!

Man, you are truly the king of fallacy!  You go from Ad Hominems to Straw Men to Red Herrings effortlessly!  You dismiss it because (X*Y)/t < Z seems silly and simple, but we both know that alarms should be sounded depending on what the true values of those variables are.

Not that I agree that's what we're even looking at, to begin with...

On 3/13/2021 at 4:17 PM, ReasonableFaith said:

Media reporters are constantly on the hunt to be the first to ‘get the scoop’ or weigh in on explosive stories

This is no longer true.  Media reporters cannot and do not publish anything that contradicts the narrative their overlords want to push.  Their bosses decide what they can and can't report on, and there have been many cases in recent years of high-level reporters expressing frustration that they had to sit on a huge story to the point of irrelevance because they weren't allowed to go public.

 

Basically your position on a bunch of the things that I've posted boils down to, "No, it's too crazy to be true, therefore it's false."  You haven't considered that the only reason it seems crazy to you is because you've bought into all the lies of the left.

[Anastasia]

On 3/14/2021 at 10:17 AM, ReasonableFaith said:

As it must, the conspiratorial net has widened and now must include Israeli national health services as well as individual Israeli medical institutions and individual Israeli health professionals.  In additional the authors have claimed they have been prevented from presenting their ‘findings’ by government, corporate, or individual actors, yet we read the article here. Media reporters are constantly on the hunt to be the first to ‘get the scoop’ or weigh in on explosive stories, yet in order to advance the conspiracy of the hidden widespread deleterious effects of these vaccines one must pass a mountain of evidence to the contrary on a trip to the farthest reaches of the internet and it’s associated medias.  

More material for you fiery speeches

When it comes to vaccines, suddenly “from vs with” matters again

"The doctor is actually arguing that refusing to live your life based on a 0.1% risk of death is foolish, and that nobody should be expected to do that.

It is, literally, word for word a “Covid sceptic” argument, reproduced in the mainstream, without even the tiniest hint of irony or self-awareness. The very attitude they are taking towards “vaccine injury” is the same one they have condemned in “covid deniers” for over a year. By their hypocrisy they prove their own mendacity."

[little2add]

the AstraZeneca vaccine may be bad

Portugal and Spain join are suspending the roll-out of Oxford's AstraZeneca vaccine amid blood clot fears while Italy launches MANSLAUGHTER prob

Ireland, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Luxembourg, Slovenia and Bulgaria are the other European countries to have suspended AstraZeneca's vaccine too.

Meanwhile, Austria, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Romania have stopped the use of one batch of the jab. 

And outside Europe, Indonesia, Thailand, Venezuela and the Democratic Republic of Congo have all paused or cancelled the start of their AstraZeneca programmes. 

 

[little2add]

Domestically (USA), the AstraZeneca vaccine is still undergoing phase-three clinical trials and has therefore not been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, but the New York Times reported Friday that the federal government has purchased roughly 30 million doses that are being packaged in an Ohio facility.

Edited March 16, 2021 by little2add

[Peace]

OK I haven't decided to get a vaccine or not get one yet. I ain't eligible so it ain't even an issue yet. But if I do decide to get one, still leaning towards the JNJ right now because I have less safety concerns about taking that vaccine than the other two. I haven't seen a convincing case that I must take the Moderna over the JNJ from an ethical standpoint. All of them are tainted to some degree by the abortion issue. It ain't like you can get a little bit pregnant. The fact that one is slightly less tainted from an ethical standpoint than the other ain't enough for me to choose it if I think the other one is safer to take. Now, if everything else about them was equal, I would choose the one that is less tainted from an ethical standpoint, but I don't think that's the case. Regardless we'll see if I need one. Not looking like I'll be scheduled for at least another month or two. May not even be needed at that point.

[Anastasia]

25 minutes ago, Peace said:

All of them are tainted to some degree by the abortion issue. It ain't like you can get a little bit pregnant. The fact that one is slightly less tainted from an ethical standpoint than the other ain't enough for me to choose it if I think the other one is safer to take.

That is correct. The difference is only that J&J used the abortion-derived foetal cell on all stages of a development and the other two only tested the product plus of course use it in a design. So however you look at it via partaking it you are partaking from a murder of a human being. Not participating in it but partaking, like communion.

That would not have to be that way if the Church from the very beginning demanded only ethical vaccine, "no ethical vaccines - no vaccination for us, thank you". The Church also could initiate a campaign of a global repentance, for a usage of a body of murdered girl later called "HEK293" and also of a body of a boy later known as "PER.C6" - for their depersonalization in which the Church participates. But we do not see such a repentance and this is the worst aspect of the current situation.

That makes me think of native American Indians, they were more civilized than the modern so-called civilized people because when they killed an animal (so I read) they would ask the spirit of that animal to forgive them.

[Anastasia]

This is not about the vaccines, this is about how they are being used. The video there is worthy to listen to.
Jews complain to international court for violation of Nuremberg Code

[fides' Jack]

This is worth a read - including the herein-linked paper signed by the Kenyan Catholic Doctors:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/kenyan-catholic-doctors-reject-covid-vaccine-citing-suspect-motivation-behind-the-experimental-jabs?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=catholic

13 hours ago, Anastasia said:

The Church also could initiate a campaign of a global repentance, for a usage of a body of murdered girl later called "HEK293"

This is misunderstood, I think.  The "293" portion of "HEK293" is actually the number of aborted babies that they used to make it.  At least that is what a certain scientist (virologist) is alleging.

It's not like there's only 1 dead baby being used in these cell lines, there are hundreds.  Which of course only makes the issue more grave.

These vaccines make us complicit in the worship of baphomet.

[Anastasia]

6 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

This is misunderstood, I think.  The "293" portion of "HEK293" is actually the number of aborted babies that they used to make it.  At least that is what a certain scientist (virologist) is alleging.

I read that 293 refers to a number of experiments needed to create a line. I heard that it could take more aborted human beings yet I speak only about an aborted girl later called "HEK293" because it is a well-established fact (and I do not wish to speculate) and because even one aborted baby as a source of a vaccine is enough for me.

"HEK-293
HEK stands for “human embryonic kidney”, and the child was probably aborted around 1972. The doctor who originally worked with the fetal tissue said at an FDA meeting that “the fetus, as far as I can remember was completely normal. Nothing was wrong. The reasons for the abortion were unknown to me. I probably knew it at the time, but it got lost, all this information.”

Nevertheless, you may have a point about some other lines:

"RA273
The story of the Rubella vaccine is a bit more grim. It involved not one, but 28 abortions. Twenty-seven to isolate the virus, and then it was cultured in WI-38 (see above). The acronym RA273 means: R=Rubella, A=Abortus, 27=27th fetus tested, 3=3rd tissue explanted."

https://jenniferfulwiler.com/2007/10/vaccines-and-aborted-fetal-tissue/

But then again, whatever has been done one human being is all that takes to make those vaccines unethical.

[ReasonableFaith]

Readers wishing examine the nature of the HEK 293 cell line and its use may want to refer to a 2006 piece in National Catholic Bioethics Quarterly by Alvin Wong, ‘The Ethics of HEK 293.’  

The piece includes an overview of the cell line as well as a description of its widespread use. A robust analysis of the moral implication of using cells propagated from cells, purchased from a company which propagated the cells from fetal nephrotic tissue which may or may not have been sourced from an induced abortive procedure in the 1970’s, is made.  In addition the author examines the need, or lack thereof, to find research alternatives to such cell lines. 

[Anastasia]

5 hours ago, ReasonableFaith said:

A robust analysis of the moral implication of using cells propagated from cells, purchased from a company which propagated the cells from fetal nephrotic tissue which may or may not have been sourced from an induced abortive procedure in the 1970’s, is made.

The author establishes (in a  full agreement with how the source of "HEK293" is being described in other sources) that "the possibility that the HEK 293 kidney cells come from a directly procured and deliberately willed abortion is extremely high." One of the reasons for such convictions (among several considered by him) is of a convenience:

"The convenience of getting tissue from routine, elective abortions compared to waiting for an unforeseen miscarriage supports this likelihood. Furthermore, there seems to be an ongoing industry in this area, where obtaining fetal tissue from routine abortions becomes a standard procedure."

It makes a perfect sense. Indeed, if there is "fresh healthy material" in abundance why to try to obtain a product of a miscarriage (which is often caused by a foetal abnormality so it is not as "pristine" as they say)? 

However, in my opinion, while the origins of the covid19 vaccines are dreadful it is far more dreadful what is being done with them. We know now that the vaccines are tainted by foetal cells derived from abortions (and not just by HEK293). It is possible then to say that "it is a vaccine made with murdered human beings". It is very crude saying but it is true, in essence, no matter if the cells were used only to grow viruses and then the liquid was distilled or for tests etc. It is still tainted, no mater what one does and says. 

And then we have Jews who reportedly enquire it vaccines are kosher; Muslims - if they are halal; vegans - if no animals suffered cruelty while vaccines were produced and so on. The response is "yes, they are kosher/halal/vegan friendly, all is good". Am I the only person who sees as a diabolical farce, the mockery of who a human being is? 

[MIKolbe]

Got my first shot today at walmart.

[MiscarriageSucks]

On 3/24/2021 at 2:20 PM, MIKolbe said:

Got my first shot today at walmart.

Congratulations!!! Thank you! My only side effect with dose one was a sore arm. Move it around as much as possible to prevent stiffness. 

[Ash Wednesday]

Please ignore the accidental title change. I was killing spam on here and my mousey hand was too slow and lazy. Apparently if you have superpowers, dragging the cursor too slow over a title edits it. Carry on.

[little2add]

Three More Reasons to Get a COVID-19 Vaccine

Besides reducing your own risk of getting COVID-19, there are other reasons to get your vaccine when it becomes available. For starters, you'll be helping to:

1.   Bring an end to the pandemic.

2.   Protect the health care system. (When infections surge or if nurses and doctors get sick, they may have less capacity to care for the very ill. )

3.   Safeguard those around you.

[MIKolbe]

On 3/26/2021 at 2:29 PM, MiscarriageSucks said:

Congratulations!!! Thank you! My only side effect with dose one was a sore arm. Move it around as much as possible to prevent stiffness. 

My only side effect is that I got very handsome. 

[little2add]

  CHICAGO (Reuters) - Pfizer Inc and BioNTech SE said on Wednesday their COVID-19 vaccine was safe and 100% effective and produced robust antibody responses in 12- to 15-year olds, paving the way for them to seek U.S. emergency use authorization in weeks

[Luigi]

I got my first shot a while ago, so I'm half immune. I'll get my second shot on Friday. Since I got my first shot in my left arm, I guess my left side is already immune, so I'm gonna tell 'em to inject the second shot into my right arm. That way, I'll be immune on both sides!

(That IS how it works, isn't it?)