Sicker And Sicker....

[Azriel]

Ya'll need to chill out...'fore some beatins happen up in here.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='Jul 16 2004, 01:24 PM'] how this NOT a personal attack?  you tell me my kids are gonna end up in a day program and boot camp?!  implying that they will have a lack of discipline and will be wild and unruly?!

and you're right.  13 is probably not a qualified number.  but it's all i have to go by.  it's my personal experience.  and knowing what my brothers and sisters went through as children, having their kids turn out decently is more than i expected.

i expected better of you ironmonk.  i think you get too hotheaded at times and don't think before you type. 

God bless.  i'm done with this thread.  it had a good starting out point (your article you posted) but now it has deginerated into this debate.

sheesh.  no wonder i almost never wander into the debate table.  

P.S.  I have too much respect for you, ironmonk.  i'll stay out of your way from now on. [/quote]
It's not.

Someone tells me that I'm beating my kid for spanking him, or that I was a beat as a child... I'm going to say it the way it is. It looked like what I posted was ignored so I had to make the point.

The points are:

1.) If all you have to go by is 13 people, why argue, when you know that there are many other factors involved. To say that there is never a need to spank is not wise.

2.) Many times (not always) kids that do not get spanked end up in boot camp. Please meditate on the bible verses listed on this page. It's great that your nieces and nephews didn't need to be spanked... How old are they? Are all of them in their 20's yet? That's not the case with most people. Why else would there be in Proverbs about discipline.

The liberal anti-touch your kid wackos in the world have pushed do not spank since about the 60's... look what's it's gotten us. More kids doing crimes. Kids being uncontrollable by their parents.... Dr. Spock that wrote the "great book" of not spanking your kids that was hailed in the 70's didn't even have kids.


Some kids do not need to be spanked.

One shouldn't tell others that they are wrong and beating their kids for spanking them.


And if you don't like it, I'm almost the champ of funky pong and when I have the paddle, I'll spank you with it....

God Bless.
ironmonk

Edited July 16, 2004 by ironmonk

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='Azriel' date='Jul 16 2004, 01:39 PM'] Ya'll need to chill out...'fore some beatins happen up in here. [/quote]
I agree. Yes, we need to chill.

God bless,

Jen

[BeenaBobba]

Hi ironmonk,

I didn't mean to imply that you beat your kid(s) or was abused as a child. I was just saying that if the belt leaves marks or welts (which it [i]can[/i] do, especially if the buckle is used), then it's wrong. That's it. [u]I am not against spanking, and I agree that it's sometimes necessary.[/u]

God bless,

Jen

[Lil Red]

i never said you were wrong, ironmonk, for spanking your child. NOT ONCE. i just said i wouldn't spank my children (if i ever have any).

and i'm almost champion of the zoo animals game, so watch out! i'll sic those animals on you!

and you're right. why argue? i'd rather drift through life.

*note to self: don't argue anymore*

[ironmonk]

Great... then we're all in agreement.


Let me clarify a few things when I was spanked... It was always after a few verbal warnings, my dad always folded his belt until it was about 8-10 inches long - he never used it like a whip... I didn't think that you would think that, but when you wrote buckle, then it dawned on me that I need to explain it in more detail.... I was only hit on my butt... and they only went to a belt when I was about 7 when I laughed at them for not being able to hurt my butt with their hand, and I remember it clearly... I was happy that they couldn't use spanking to stop me from doing what I wanted and I actually said something to that effect... then.... the belt was introduced... it kept me in line.... as I grew older I realized that I did need it... if I didn't get the belt, there's no telling how I would have turned out. It instilled a strong sense of right and wrong.


Hope that helps...

God Bless,
ironmonk

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Jul 16 2004, 01:55 PM'] Great... then we're all in agreement.

[/quote]
Yes, we are.

[quote]Let me clarify a few things when I was spanked... It was always after a few verbal warnings, my dad always folded his belt until it was about 8-10 inches long - he never used it like a whip... I didn't think that you would think that, but when you wrote buckle, then it dawned on me that I need to explain it in more detail....  I was only hit on my butt... and they only went to a belt when I was about 7 when I laughed at them for not being able to hurt my butt with their hand, and I remember it clearly... I was happy that they couldn't use spanking to stop me from doing what I wanted and I actually said something to that effect... then.... the belt was introduced... it kept me in line.... as I grew older I realized that I did need it... if I didn't get the belt, there's no telling how I would have turned out. It instilled a strong sense of right and wrong.[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying that. Yeah, so long as it isn't used as a whip that could leave welts and marks, then I'm fine with it.

God bless,

Jen

[Kilroy the Ninja]

I'm so glad we can all get along!

[ladybug]

[quote name='BeenaBobba' date='Jul 16 2004, 10:20 AM'] I've noticed that as well, but I don't wanna gossip about Ms. Spears. I just feel bad for her. I feel bad for anyone who thinks they have to dress like a skank or French kiss a middle aged women to sell albums. I wish she knew she was worth so much more than that.

God bless,

Jen [/quote]
I feel so sad. She went from singing the poetry of the pope, to this. :-(

She doesn't have to be that way.

Look at Celine Dion! Now that's a tasteful sophisticated lady.

[VeraMaria]

[quote name='conservativecatholic' date='Jul 15 2004, 09:12 PM'] I totally agree, but some parents take the term discipline out of hand. I hate physical abuse! My mother and I tell parents in the grocery store to stop hitting their kids. I absolutely HATE abuse. I cringe at the sight of it. Parents need to be firm and ask where their kids are going. They need to teach them and be stern when necessary. You then have those who just flat-out spoil their kids which is absolutely ridculous. Parents need to be more responsible. [/quote]
One of the best way of disciplining is by seting an example. When kids are really young they are impressionable, if their parents set good examples from the start there will be less ness of disciplining them later.

[VeraMaria]

[quote name='BeenaBobba' date='Jul 16 2004, 12:20 PM'] I've noticed that as well, but I don't wanna gossip about Ms. Spears. I just feel bad for her. I feel bad for anyone who thinks they have to dress like a skank or French kiss a middle aged women to sell albums. I wish she knew she was worth so much more than that.

God bless,

Jen [/quote]
100% agree. I just feel really realy sorry for her. I'll pray for her today...if she looked putside of the rush of things at the big picture I think she'd realize that all she's doing to get publicity will just not last forever and is going nowhere, and in the end she'ss be left with [i]muy poco[/i].

[VeraMaria]

My parents used (and still use) different types of discipline. I never got really SPANKED, rather slapped a couple of times, but very mildly.

They hit us where it hurt us most though..our pride and our free time. Punishments at my house are (after several verbal warnings) usually extra chores, not being able to go out with friends, etc. In my case, they knew that would work better than spanking me, becase I have a temper and I wouldn't have forgiven them easily for spanking me, I'd have ben angry and defiant. But other punishments like being grounded taught me my lesson. My brothers get their Playstation taken away, etc, and that works too.

With me and my brothers those types of punishments were much more effective.

And now my parents use a new punishment against me, way more effective than any were before, they threaten not to take me to Mass. () They know I'll do anything to be able to go to Mass.

(my parents are a long story...some of you know it)

God Bless,

Vera

[M.SIGGA]

Is the britney movie going to be a musical?

[MichaelFilo]

As far as Britney, I can't say I ever was a fan really, but the change has been a pretty sad experience. Even when I wasn't so into religion and looking for the Truth, I'd feel bad when someone began to fall. So, I do kinda wish she would go back to being the good person she was.

As far as spanking and beltings and the likes, I got it when I was younger, 3-6 but my dad really didn't enjoy it, and my mom probably couldn't bring herself to do it. Honestly, ironmonk has a point if anything, I wish I got punished like that, it definatly instills a sense of yes/no. Also, as a person who's dad worked in a school for almost-in-juvinile here in Jacksonville, FL, I can tell you that the lack of discipline is probably the biggest factor in that happening. FL has some pretty bad kids ( I'm not saying naturally bad, just not so good in choosing right from wrong ).

As a side note, I beilive a rod would efinatly leave a mark of some sort. I don't particularly say it's a good thing to do so, but the fact that you have that as a standard for going to far may require some re-thinking.

It's true that not all people need punishment, I came out fairly good, I never did anything opposed to my parents, now I give them the due honor they deserve. My sister however just got into a car accident, and she's only 14 and driving other peoples cars, she's done drugs and all sorts of stuff. I can only, some people need it ALOT more than others, but all can benefit a little from it.

[Norseman82]

Britney has her brain screwed on backwards. I mean, falling for a guy who already knocked one girl up and has another on the way by someone else?

[Paladin D]

I remember back when Brittney first started, her music wasn't as dirty from what I remember. She was just a school girl, now she is acting like something I can't say on PM.

[MorphRC]

britney use to be cute and attractive, now that shes gone the 'lutty way, its a total turn off, and i see her as more of a immoral and tainted woman, than someone with a good voice, and ok humour. Many stars have gone this way

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Jul 18 2004, 02:21 AM'] I remember back when Brittney first started, her music wasn't as dirty from what I remember. She was just a school girl, now she is acting like something I can't say on PM. [/quote]
Yep

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Norseman82' date='Jul 17 2004, 03:31 PM'] Britney has her brain screwed on backwards. I mean, falling for a guy who already knocked one girl up and has another on the way by someone else? [/quote]
Hollywoods a great example for young kids!

[Quietfire]

Brittney....ugh, wont go there.
Was there EVER anything attractive about her? She had some cute catchy songs, but that is where it ended. She needs to do some serious soul searching.

Back on topic.
Punishing children.
To spank or not to spank.
Every child is different. Therefore, one form of punishment for one does not always work for another.
I got spanked once. Fixed me right up.
And my mom made us do the 'walk of shame'. We had to go out and pick out the switch for the spanking. The reason we called it that is because all the other kids saw us head over to get a switch and would taunt us. The humiliation was half the punishment. And we would get a second spanking if we picked a bad switch.
Needless to say, I took that walk once.
My brothers a few more times than that.

There are those who literally beat their children if they do something wrong. That is not the same as spanking.

Its a fine, personal line.

Peace :peace: