Brother Adam Posted August 19, 2004 Posted August 19, 2004 I got this book since it is suppose to be vintage anti-Catholicism. The very best source to look to, to learn why the Catholic Church is the anti-Christ according to Karl Keating. This, my friends, is laughable. I can see why Keating didn't take it very seriously. If this is the best they can come up with, this group of people is in trouble on all intellectual fronts. If this is the BEST attack Fundamentalists can make, wow. I don't know how Protestantism has held so long (my guess is a lack of knowledge and an appeal to not using strong factual sources.
dUSt Posted August 19, 2004 Posted August 19, 2004 Be careful. We don't want you turning into MC Just or Ironmonk... lol.
Budge Posted August 20, 2004 Posted August 20, 2004 Wow Ive been wanting to read that book. Course what answers do you have for its points except to call it laughable? Just curious...
phatcatholic Posted August 20, 2004 Posted August 20, 2004 well, it took keating almost 400 pages to respond to all of boattner's errors, and keating didn't even bother addressing them all. how much time do you have?
Guest JeffCR07 Posted August 20, 2004 Posted August 20, 2004 Also, the book "Not by Scripture Alone," which is a collection of works by some catholic apologeticists and is edited by Robert Sungenis, deals with some of the points brought up. Budge, though "laughable" is certainly a biased term, "unscholarly" is certainly a wise description of the book. The [i]vast[/i] majority of the sources used in it are books and texts written by other protestant sources, and there are actually an alarmingly small number of original catholic sources that are cited. One would expect, especially in a book specifically about Roman Catholicism, that there would be a goodly number of primary sources, especially when considering the massive volume of literature that the Church has produced over the course of 2000 years. On a side note, many of the primary sources that [i]are[/i] used end up being portrayed dreadfully out of their context. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff
MorphRC Posted August 20, 2004 Posted August 20, 2004 Brother Adam! That Book is absolutely brilliant, its full of adventure, truth, lies, deceit, history. It is absolutely Brilliant! For a Fiction Novel, of Course
Brother Adam Posted August 20, 2004 Author Posted August 20, 2004 lol, it's an exercise in futility. Budge, Number 1: 85 million people were not killed in the Inquisition. He asserts millions and millions were. The best guess honest historians can come up with is several thousands. Boettner means to say that Catholics wiped out the whole of Europe, including the entire Catholic Church and all Catholics including themselves.
Brother Adam Posted August 20, 2004 Author Posted August 20, 2004 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Aug 19 2004, 08:36 PM'] well, it took keating almost 400 pages to respond to all of boattner's errors, and keating didn't even bother addressing them all. how much time do you have? [/quote] Only chapter one of Keatings book deals with this text. The only reason it is addressed is because others take it so seriously. Other than that, it is not a serious piece of scholarship. It would fail 9th grade English if the teacher simply looked up a source or too.
Brother Adam Posted August 21, 2004 Author Posted August 21, 2004 Budge, I strongly suggest you find a different book. You are already predisposed to anti-Catholicism. What kind of testimony will your life be if you were to study this trash and simply spread lies or misrepresenations at best of the Catholic Church your whole life? If you refuse to read Catholic literature to learn about the Catholic Church, I strongly suggest a book in which you can gain some insight from a Catholic - Letters between and Evangalist and Catholic. Thus you will be able to pat a fellow anti-Catholic on the back while reading it, but Father Wiass is still allowed to speak for himself. Boettners book is full of distortions, half-truths, and many flat out lies. He does little homework and takes almost everything out of context.
MorphRC Posted August 21, 2004 Posted August 21, 2004 (edited) Just the 85Million murder rate, should have shot a few alarm bells in your head. This would have been the greatest mass murder in the history of the world. Why is it not all over the news? Edited August 21, 2004 by MorphRC
VeraMaria Posted August 21, 2004 Posted August 21, 2004 In our "Religions of the World" part of Social Studies last year (9th grade in a public High School)we studied major world religions about a week or two per one faith. They separated "Christianity" and "Catholicism". For the "Catholicism" part we had to read huge packets of excerpts from Loraine Boettner's Roman Catholicism. Ugh, it made me turn green while I read it, because I can usually tell a lie or something wrong when I see one. It made me so angry that everyone was taking that book for truth since we were reading it in school. Talking to my teacher didn't help, he just laughed at me. Talking to the head of the Social Studies department didn't help either, she laughed and said all books for the course were carefully picked out and "scholarly works". I couldn;t talk to my parents either, they wouldn;t care. This year I'm glad they're not doing that course in the 9th grade. The only positive thing that book did was make me research the answers I and't known before. But what's sad is that so many people believe it, including history teachers.
Brother Adam Posted August 21, 2004 Author Posted August 21, 2004 Yes. As a former protestant this book sickens me for the sake of my fellow protestant brethren. It's a poor testimony to the work which many good protestant Christians do to further the work of the kingdom.
homeschoolmom Posted August 21, 2004 Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 21 2004, 08:37 AM'] Yes. As a former protestant this book sickens me for the sake of my fellow protestant brethren. It's a poor testimony to the work which many good protestant Christians do to further the work of the kingdom. [/quote] word.
MorphRC Posted August 21, 2004 Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 22 2004, 12:07 AM'] Yes. As a former protestant this book sickens me for the sake of my fellow protestant brethren. It's a poor testimony to the work which many good protestant Christians do to further the work of the kingdom. [/quote] Work of the kingdom? No offence to your background and all, but heresy dont work towards the Kingdom. It works against it, by spreading the wrong msg.
MorphRC Posted August 21, 2004 Posted August 21, 2004 Found this Link: [url="http://members.lycos.co.uk/jloughnan/keating1.htm"]http://members.lycos.co.uk/jloughnan/keating1.htm[/url] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spotlight on Loraine Boettner's "Roman Catholicism" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter and the Papacy Chapter 17, CATHOLICISM and FUNDAMENTALISM - The Attack on "Romanism" by "Bible Christians" 1 by Karl Keating [url="http://members.lycos.co.uk/jloughnan/keating1.htm"]http://members.lycos.co.uk/jloughnan/keating1.htm[/url]
Brother Adam Posted August 21, 2004 Author Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 21 2004, 10:56 AM'] Work of the kingdom? No offence to your background and all, but heresy dont work towards the Kingdom. It works against it, by spreading the wrong msg. [/quote] Non-Catholics are indeed, Christians, as affirmed by the Church. While non-Catholics hold to many heresies, this does not stop them from working for the kingdom of God. Clothing the naked Feeding the hungry Caring for the sick Housing the homeless Meeting the needs of Ophans and widows All are work for the kingdom. Not all that Protestants teach is heresy either. The Trinity The Bible as inspired, inerrant Word of God Sunday worship and the list goes on. They are separated brethren, but brethren none-the-less.
Brother Adam Posted August 21, 2004 Author Posted August 21, 2004 Yes, Keatings book is very popular, I suggest you get it if you have the means to
MorphRC Posted August 21, 2004 Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 22 2004, 02:06 AM'] Non-Catholics are indeed, Christians, as affirmed by the Church. While non-Catholics hold to many heresies, this does not stop them from working for the kingdom of God. Clothing the naked Feeding the hungry Caring for the sick Housing the homeless Meeting the needs of Ophans and widows All are work for the kingdom. Not all that Protestants teach is heresy either. The Trinity The Bible as inspired, inerrant Word of God Sunday worship and the list goes on. They are separated brethren, but brethren none-the-less. [/quote] Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists, Sufis, Sikhs do: Clothing the naked Feeding the hungry Caring for the sick Housing the homeless Meeting the needs of Ophans and widows That is just called humanitarianism. Helping fellow man, your doing a godly act, anything more than that...i dont think so. [quote]Not all that Protestants teach is heresy either. The Trinity The Bible as inspired, inerrant Word of God Sunday worship and the list goes on.[/quote] So does every other Christian, doesnt mean they work for God, like the Catholic Church does. [quote]They are separated brethren, but brethren none-the-less.[/quote] True, but not in Christ. Only thru Adam and Eve.
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