I Dont Believe Kerry Is Catholic

[MC Just]

I cannot and do not believe he is Catholic. I think he's lying about it just to get votes. I think he also plans on doing something bad to us if he becomes President. Even if he is going to mass and recieving communion. I think its al lie..

Edited August 24, 2004 by MC Just

[megamattman1]

Maybe he is lying about being Catholic in order to not have to change his religion. He probably doesn't want to be wishy washy which is surprising considering how wishy washy he is in his speeches.

I doubt he's Catholic to get votes, since I don't think people care about the president's religion so much as what they stand for. Most Catholics see through Kerry's morality anyway. I wouldn't be surprise if him claiming to be Catholic is actually hurting him with Catholics.

But that's all hard to say.


I am curious as to what you think he might do to us? Or to even why you think that? That seems to be a little far fetched.

[Laudate_Dominum]

Maybe he's an "Independent Catholic"? j/k

[MC Just]

1. You can say good bye to our Pro-life efforts.
2. It is already starting (priest's will be arrested for speaking out against the culture of death)
3. We will all be paying for Abortion and planned parenthood worldwide
4.The Anti-Vatican liberals will have much more power.
5. The supreme court will not have pro-lifers (I believe that was discussed here before)

Basically Orthodox Catholics will lose their rights while the Liberal Anti-Vatican Catholics will be frolicking around pro-claiming their perverse beliefs.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='megamattman1' date='Aug 24 2004, 10:46 AM'] Maybe he is lying about being Catholic in order to not have to change his religion. He probably doesn't want to be wishy washy which is surprising considering how wishy washy he is in his speeches.

I doubt he's Catholic to get votes, since I don't think people care about the president's religion so much as what they stand for. Most Catholics see through Kerry's morality anyway. I wouldn't be surprise if him claiming to be Catholic is actually hurting him with Catholics.

But that's all hard to say.


I am curious as to what you think he might do to us? Or to even why you think that? That seems to be a little far fetched. [/quote]
I don't think he has a religion.

Everything he does is to get votes... Vietnam Facade... Catholic... etc...

60 Million Catholics... you better bet he's doing it for votes... he thinks he's a kennedy... which they weren't good examples of Catholics either.

They wear their "religion" on their sleeve. They have no clue of the power of religion.

I think they actually do not believe at all... if he did, he would be living the faith.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

It's about time for a nice big round of excommunications. Maybe even an inquisition.

[MC Just]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Aug 24 2004, 09:06 AM'] I don't think he has a religion.

Everything he does is to get votes... Vietnam Facade... Catholic... etc...

60 Million Catholics... you better bet he's doing it for votes... he thinks he's a kennedy... which they weren't good examples of Catholics either.

They wear their "religion" on their sleeve. They have no clue of the power of religion.

I think they actually do not believe at all... if he did, he would be living the faith.


God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
Ya know? You can clearly see all of this too!

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Aug 24 2004, 09:03 AM'] 1. You can say good bye to our Pro-life efforts.
2. It is already starting (priest's will be arrested for speaking out against the culture of death)
3. We will all be paying for Abortion and planned parenthood worldwide
4.The Anti-Vatican liberals will have much more power.
5. The supreme court will not have pro-lifers (I believe that was discussed here before)

Basically Orthodox Catholics will lose their rights while the Liberal Anti-Vatican Catholics will be frolicking around pro-claiming their perverse beliefs. [/quote]


I remember feeling that way when Gore was running. Maybe God will rock a miracle and things will get better instead of worse.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Aug 24 2004, 09:00 AM'] Maybe he's an "Independent Catholic"? j/k [/quote]
That's what I was going to say!!

[MC Just]

I think Kerry is much worse, things are much more worse these days. i pray that these things wont happen. There are certain powers at work now that werent at work back then.

[MC Just]

I mean listen yesterdays homily by Father Frank Pavone on EWTN. He said we probably wouldnt see him for years because of what he was going to say!

[MorphRC]

In a country like America, which is fairly anti-catholic and very judgmental on catholic persons in office, becoz they might take orders from Rome, I dont think it would be a politically correct way to say your catholic when you aint.

PC not refering to the bad PC.

Edited August 24, 2004 by MorphRC

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote] 3. We will all be paying for Abortion and planned parenthood worldwide[/quote]

Hahaha...they can try me. I'll go to prison for tax evasion first.

[Iacobus]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Aug 24 2004, 07:57 AM'] I cannot and do not believe he is Catholic. I think he's lying about it just to get votes. I think he also plans on doing something bad to us if he becomes President. Even if he is going to mass and recieving communion. I think its al lie.. [/quote]
If he was baptisied Catholic and confirmed he is Catholic no matter what he does. Those rites leave an idenable mark on the soul. He cannot, try as he might, remove that mark.

[Sinner]

[quote name='Iacobus' date='Aug 24 2004, 01:55 PM'] If he was baptisied Catholic and confirmed he is Catholic no matter what he does. Those rites leave an idenable mark on the soul. He cannot, try as he might, remove that mark. [/quote]
I say not necessarily true..... There is no more formal cooperation in abortion than publicly supporting it from a political platform.

CCC 2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae," "by the very commission of the offense," and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.


He is a "Cafeteria Catholic" at best. Either you are Catholic and agree with all the Pope and Magisterium hold true............ or you are catholic...sometimes, or not.

Edited August 24, 2004 by Sinner

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Sinner' date='Aug 24 2004, 05:11 PM'] I say not necessarily true..... There is no more formal cooperation in abortion than publicly supporting it from a political platform.

CCC 2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae," "by the very commission of the offense," and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.


He is a "Cafeteria Catholic" at best. Either you are Catholic and agree with all the Pope and Magisterium hold true............ or you are catholic...sometimes, or not. [/quote]
Someone that has been excommunicated cannot receive sacraments, they are still obligated to go to Mass, and are Catholic.

Though, he is Catholic in the most simple terms... he was baptized.

He is not Catholic in faith.
He is not Catholic in action.

At least, he is a heretic... maybe even in apostasy, but only God knows because we know that he's untruthful - so we can't believe anything he says.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[White Knight]

Of course, You can't be Catholic and go against the Catholic Views entirally. He just takes the Title which is Catholic, hes not a practicing Catholic.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Didn't he go to Mass in a wetsuit?

[Good Friday]

[quote name='MC Just']I cannot and do not believe he is Catholic. I think he's lying about it just to get votes. I think he also plans on doing something bad to us if he becomes President. Even if he is going to mass and recieving communion. I think its al lie..[/quote]
I'd like to remind everyone that bearing false witness against one's neighbor is a sin. In fact, it's a violation of the Ten Commandments, which are the most basic laws of God possible. When you wildly speculate about someone's catholicity, and when you assume that he's going to do bad things that he may or may not do, this is a sin of bearing false witness -- it doesn't even necessarily have to be untrue for it to be so, because even if it turns out to be true, at this moment it is not true because it has not happened yet. If it turns out to be untrue, then it is most certainly sinful.

As a matter of fact, saying that he is not Catholic is bearing false witness against him. Until he makes a formal declaration that he is apostasizing, he cannot be considered a formal apostate, and thus is Catholic -- even if in heresy, still Catholic.

I urge everyone who has brought false witness against their neighbor to go to Confession before receiving Communion again.

[Andrew Bobola]

[quote name='thedude' date='Aug 24 2004, 04:10 PM'] Didn't he go to Mass in a wetsuit? [/quote]
No it was a ski-suit!
He also went to an African Methodist church thing.
Kerry is not Catholic.
To be Catholic, one must follow the rules and doctrines of the Catholic faith.
Kerry does not do this, therefore he is not Catholic.
I mean I can parade around calling myself the princess of Canada, but that doesn't make it true!
During a homily a priest referref to an article which said only 33% of "Catholics" believe in the true presence. He then proceeded to say that this was not true, 100% of Catholics believe, the rest are not Catholic.