I Dont Believe Kerry Is Catholic

[MorphRC]

Poser

[Andrew Bobola]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 27 2004, 01:10 AM'] Poser [/quote]
ME?

[Good Friday]

[quote name='Andrew']Poser 


ME?[/quote]
I'm pretty sure he was referring to Kerry.

[Andrew Bobola]

AAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

[MorphRC]

yes kerry lol

[MC Just]

[quote name='Good Friday' date='Aug 27 2004, 12:50 AM'] [quote name='MC Just']I cannot and do not believe he is Catholic. I think he's lying about it just to get votes. I think he also plans on doing something bad to us if he becomes President. Even if he is going to mass and recieving communion. I think its al lie..[/quote]
I'd like to remind everyone that bearing false witness against one's neighbor is a sin. In fact, it's a violation of the Ten Commandments, which are the most basic laws of God possible. When you wildly speculate about someone's catholicity, and when you assume that he's going to do bad things that he may or may not do, this is a sin of bearing false witness -- it doesn't even necessarily have to be untrue for it to be so, because even if it turns out to be true, at this moment it is not true because it has not happened yet. If it turns out to be untrue, then it is most certainly sinful.

As a matter of fact, saying that he is not Catholic is bearing false witness against him. Until he makes a formal declaration that he is apostasizing, he cannot be considered a formal apostate, and thus is Catholic -- even if in heresy, still Catholic.

I urge everyone who has brought false witness against their neighbor to go to Confession before receiving Communion again. [/quote]
He is apostasizing!!!! Most liberals are!! He went to a "african methodist" church to recieve communion!! His actions speak much louder than you think! He clearly disobeys church teaching and goes to a "heterodox" so called "catholic" church so he wont be denied communion. I will speak out against him and all those like him. Do me a favor and do not judge me. Don't tell me I'm bearing false witness because I am not. I am speaking from what I see from him on tv, from his actions and his own words. "I Will not be a catholic president"?

Edited August 27, 2004 by MC Just

[MC Just]

Abandoning the Faith for the sake of american liberalism. That's real nice.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Aug 27 2004, 11:35 PM'] I'd like to remind everyone that bearing false witness against one's neighbor is a sin. In fact, it's a violation of the Ten Commandments, which are the most basic laws of God possible. When you wildly speculate about someone's catholicity, and when you assume that he's going to do bad things that he may or may not do, this is a sin of bearing false witness -- it doesn't even necessarily have to be untrue for it to be so, because even if it turns out to be true, at this moment it is not true because it has not happened yet. If it turns out to be untrue, then it is most certainly sinful.

As a matter of fact, saying that he is not Catholic is bearing false witness against him. Until he makes a formal declaration that he is apostasizing, he cannot be considered a formal apostate, and thus is Catholic -- even if in heresy, still Catholic.

I urge everyone who has brought false witness against their neighbor to go to Confession before receiving Communion again. [/QUOTE]
He is apostasizing!!!! Most liberals are!! He went to a "african methodist" church to recieve communion!! His actions speak much louder than you think! He clearly disobeys church teaching and goes to a "heterodox" so called "catholic" church so he wont be denied communion. I will speak out against him and all those like him. Do me a favor and do not judge me. Don't tell me I'm bearing false witness because I am not. I am speaking from what I see from him on tv, from his actions and his own words. "I Will not be a catholic president"? [/quote]
I totally agree.

Bearing false witness would be have been just [b]NOT[/b] seeing him go directly against the Church.

I even saw him myself on TV, saying the Church is wrong about denying him communion, coz he is pro-choice, then he went and said, he isnt pro-choice in real life, but in his political life he agrees with it.

[b]HUH!?[/b]

[MorphRC]

*Which means he KNOWS Church teaching*

Sry

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Good Friday' date='Aug 27 2004, 02:50 AM'] [quote name='MC Just']I cannot and do not believe he is Catholic. I think he's lying about it just to get votes. I think he also plans on doing something bad to us if he becomes President. Even if he is going to mass and recieving communion. I think its al lie..[/quote]
I'd like to remind everyone that bearing false witness against one's neighbor is a sin. In fact, it's a violation of the Ten Commandments, which are the most basic laws of God possible. When you wildly speculate about someone's catholicity, and when you assume that he's going to do bad things that he may or may not do, this is a sin of bearing false witness -- it doesn't even necessarily have to be untrue for it to be so, because even if it turns out to be true, at this moment it is not true because it has not happened yet. If it turns out to be untrue, then it is most certainly sinful.

As a matter of fact, saying that he is not Catholic is bearing false witness against him. Until he makes a formal declaration that he is apostasizing, he cannot be considered a formal apostate, and thus is Catholic -- even if in heresy, still Catholic.

I urge everyone who has brought false witness against their neighbor to go to Confession before receiving Communion again. [/quote]
Bearing false witness means to lie.

We have not lied.

Kerry IS NOT Catholic in deed or word.

Kerry only plays a Catholic on TV.

If Kerry was Catholic, would he not have the One Faith?

Kerry is at least a heretic, only Catholic through baptism (if he was baptised). He goes against so many things the Catholic Church teaches.

Someone using the faith for votes, is not Catholic.

Kerry rejects the teachings of Christ.

Someone can say they're Catholic all they want but if they don't follow the Christ throught the Church established by Christ, then they are not a Catholic.

To say we are bearing false witness is to show one does not know what bearing false witness means.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Does somebody have the ski suit picture of Kerry at Mass?

[jasJis]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Aug 24 2004, 09:20 AM']

I remember feeling that way when Gore was running. Maybe God will rock a miracle and things will get better instead of worse. [/quote]
I agree. Can you say "chad"? I believe in God's intervention...

[Sinner]

I must say Ditto to IronMonk's statement above. I bear true witness.... not false. His following of the Catholic Faith is carp.

[Good Friday]

[quote name='ironmonk']Kerry IS NOT Catholic in deed or word.[/quote]
Your Church disagrees with you, but that's never stopped you before. A person baptized in the Catholic Church continues to be Catholic, even in a state of heresy or schism, until he formally repudiates the Catholic Church and all that the Church teaches. In the absence of such a repudiation, saying that he is not Catholic is a lie, it is libelous, and it is bearing false witness against your neighbor.

If you'd like to verify with a priest or scholar that a person must formally repudiate the faith in order to apostasize and thus be considered non-Catholic, please feel free to do so. I doubt you will, because then you'll have to admit you're sinning, and we couldn't have that.

[MorphRC]

[quote]until he formally repudiates the Catholic Church and all that the Church teaches. [/quote]

Your wrong. Once you follow a heresy, especially knowingly, you cut yourself from catholic unity. And especially on the topic of Abortion, there isnt a option, you support life or you dont. He doesnt, therefore he goes directly against the Church, and he knows it, and has stated it. Therefore he is a heretic, and NOT Catholic.

Ironmonk is correct.

Edited August 28, 2004 by MorphRC

[Good Friday]

[quote name='MorphRC']Your wrong. Once you follow a heresy, especially knowingly, you cut yourself from catholic unity.[/quote]
No, I'm not wrong. And neither are you. Yes, heresy does cut you off from Catholic unity; it does not, however, make you cease to be Catholic. Heresy and apostasy are two different sins for a reason. Heresy is denying orthodox Catholic teaching, apostasy is repudiating the Church and [b]all[/b] that she teaches. If they were the same sin, there would not be two different words for it, would there?

Also, I don't follow the phorum as closely as I used to, but weren't you a Protestant about a month ago? I'd think that would make it seem somewhat inappropriate to you to pontificate on who is and isn't Catholic. Wooden Beam, meet Splinter.

[Good Friday]

[quote name='Definition of Apostasy' date=' Catholic Encyclopedia']Perfidiæ (Apostasy) is the complete and voluntary abandonment of the Christian religion, whether the apostate embraces another religion such as Paganism, Judaism, Mohammedanism, etc., or merely makes profession of Naturalism, Rationalism, etc. The heretic differs from the apostate in that he only denies one or more of the doctrines of revealed religion, whereas the apostate denies the religion itself, a sin which has always been looked upon as one of the most grievous.[/quote]

[MorphRC]

I know what Apostacy is, I did it a couple months ago.
I know what Heresy is, Havent done that.

Kerry wants communion, so he accepts that teaching, yet he goes against abortion.

Therefore hes a heretic. You cant pick and choose what u wanna believe.

[Good Friday]

[quote name='MorphRC']Therefore hes a heretic. You cant pick and choose what u wanna believe.[/quote]
No one's disputing that he's a heretic, but he does not cease to be Catholic as a heretic.

Edited August 28, 2004 by Good Friday

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Good Friday' date='Aug 27 2004, 09:48 PM'][quote name='MorphRC']Therefore hes a heretic. You cant pick and choose what u wanna believe.[/quote]
No one's disputing that he's a heretic, but he does not cease to be Catholic as a heretic.[/quote]
To be Catholic a man must be visibly bound to the Church through the "profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion." [Vatican 2, [u]Lumen Gentium[/u], no. 14] So, if a man dissents from the teaching of the Magisterium and falls into heresy, he is no longer in full communion with the Catholic Church, and as a consequence he ceases to be a Catholic. This does not mean that he is no longer baptized, because baptism marks the soul with an indelible character, and the possession of this indelible mark means that he is in some sense still related to the Church, but it does not make him a Catholic.

God bless,
Todd