Aloysius Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 hats are cool too... I'm not particular about the type... although bandanas are iffy to me because of their probable secular connotations, but it's still a nice effort and I don't have any grounds to complain about it, perhaps it can be viewed as a nice effort of the people of this time and culture to reclaim the symbol for themselves (I've seen girls wear bandanas to mass before) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Nov 22 2005, 01:45 PM']hats are cool too... I'm not particular about the type... although bandanas are iffy to me because of their probable secular connotations, but it's still a nice effort and I don't have any grounds to complain about it, perhaps it can be viewed as a nice effort of the people of this time and culture to reclaim the symbol for themselves (I've seen girls wear bandanas to mass before) [right][snapback]797864[/snapback][/right] [/quote] why would bandanas have secular connotations but not hats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 You really have no grounds to complain about the subject at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 depends on what type of hats... again I don't know and why don't I have any grounds to complain? because I'm not a girl I can't comment on such things? that's a silly hangup. by that logic no one can make any comments about the opposite sex. for 20 centuries 20+ rites of the Catholic Church have all had female headcoverings, uninterupted as far as I know. at present, we are the only rite that does not continue this venerable and pius tradition. I'm sorry, but the argument that the scripture is just a cultural thing does not hold up to the fact that the very incarnation of inculturation in the Church-- diferent rites-- has this tradition completely spanning all time and culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Nov 22 2005, 12:45 PM']for those women who do not wear some sort of veil to the Wedding Feast of the Lamb, may I ask you: would you (or did you) wear a veil to your wedding? if so, why did you do that? [right][snapback]797732[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I really am curious as to people's answers and reasoning to this question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Nov 22 2005, 01:50 PM']and why don't I have any grounds to complain? because I'm not a girl I can't comment on such things? that's a silly hangup. by that logic no one can make any comments about the opposite sex.[right][snapback]797871[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The Church has said we don't have to wear them. Therefore saying veils are okay, hats are okay, but bandanas are iffy, is rediculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 the Church hasn't said a thing on whether or not you should wear them, it doesn't require it by canon law... which of course was not the source of the requirement in the first place and its inclusion in the 1917 code was just a little extra bonus. show me where the Church has said not to wear them. She hasn't said ANYTHING. She shut up about it around 1960 and everyone took that as a licence to throw away the trans-cutlural trans-time established by scripture tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Nov 22 2005, 02:02 PM']I really am curious as to people's answers and reasoning to this question... [right][post="797883"][/post][/right][/quote] Yes, I wore a veil. Wearing one did not draw attention to myself-- I got attention by virtue of being the bride. Wearing a chapel veil to mass would draw attention to myself. It would cause me to focus on the fact that I was wearing it-- not on my reason for being at mass to begin with. And saying that this would go away as I got used to it doesn't wash. I still think about (and am aware of) not holding hands during the Our Father just about every single mass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 tradition with a small t... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 that just happens to transend all the rites of the Church and be established in scripture... riiiiight... it must have been specific to the cutlure of the time period the time period of 20 centuries... so your only argument is that it'd make you feel uncomfortable and different? it's a legitimate enough personal excuse, and I certainly don't fault you for it, but there then still seems to be no argument why it shouldn't be normal for all the women to be wearing it and it being normal. and how does that happen? well, it's gotta start with a few people willing to step outside of their comfort zones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 so you answered why you wore it then rather than at a normal mass, but why did you wear it not comparitive to the normal mass? what, if anything, did it symbolize? or did you just wear what was expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 and just so you know, I'm genuinly curious about the answer here, not looking for fuel for any argument... I believe we ought to reclaim this tradition in all its rich symbolism, and I'd like to understand what the one remaining stronghold of doing the tradition still draws women to do it-- weddings... that seems to be the one experience of chapel veiling even the modern catholic woman will subject herself to... but what symbolism does she see in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 I want to wear a mantilla but though my church is very conservative on morals (thank goodness), it's not conservative on liturgical stuff, in fact, i was told there that Latin Mass of any kind was illicit! i already feel awkward about seeming more devout than ppl at my church, especially since there is so much about me that's unholy (my sister and I always get into arguments and I always let my anger get the better of me, I still curse alot, no really bad words but some not so great ones, and I am pretty selfish). I was even told by a classmate that I made everyone at church look bad during an open forum homily when I asked a lot of questions and was even able to anser some. So I feel I already draw quite a bit of attention, especially since I usually go to Mass by myself and everyone else comes with their families, and I'm afraid I might distract someone whose praying and might resent me for trying to be a good Catholic, I've had adults tell me they think I'm a saint and sadly, I think I fall short of that by alot. So I don't really want to look holy until I actually am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tojo Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Nov 22 2005, 03:00 PM']so you answered why you wore it then rather than at a normal mass, but why did you wear it not comparitive to the normal mass? what, if anything, did it symbolize? or did you just wear what was expected? [right][snapback]797931[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I believe that HSmom was Protestant when she got married, so she wouldn't have had a wedding mass then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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