Duc_In_Altum Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 anyone know what MEH is yet? -Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azaelia Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Oct 19 2004, 06:47 PM'] You call that a Church? Sounds like a sports stadium to me. Seems to be fitting enough, though, for the atmosphere created by Lifeteen Masses. [/quote] Not all Lifeteen Masses are the same psp10. But I agree with you on the architecture of the church. There's one much like that in Bangor, Maine, and a friend of mine, upon entering it for the first time, said "This reminds me more of a spaceship than a church..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='azaelia' date='Oct 19 2004, 06:51 PM'] Not all Lifeteen Masses are the same psp10. But I agree with you on the architecture of the church. There's one much like that in Bangor, Maine, and a friend of mine, upon entering it for the first time, said "This reminds me more of a spaceship than a church..." [/quote] Are you from Bangor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azaelia Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Oct 19 2004, 06:53 PM'] Are you from Bangor? [/quote] Not exactly. I lived 45 minutes northwest of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I know some people from up there. They live in Virginia now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeteenchick527 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 i :wub: lifeteen!! (hence the sn lol) but ya its really changed my life, i have learned sooo much about wat i believe that now i can honestly say i know wat i believe (of course i dont know everything) but i continue to learn and want to learn about my faith and i try to live it too, lifeteen as helped me be excited and not want to hide being catholic in everyday life and such!! also i have met soo me awesome people there too! God Bless ~L~T~C~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 i'm pushing for a LifeTeen program at our parish.. however, there are many who don't want it at our parish since they've heard all these weird things about it. i know that Father A would have much influence over everything that would go on in the program.. so nothing would be unacceptable to the Church's teachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenSorrows Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I don't like lifeteen. Yes their are a TON of liturgical abuses. It is actually funny because first I wanted to see if lifeteen taught new lifeteen churches to do these abuses. Lifeteen wanted me to buy their instructional videos for like $150. I had been to a few different lifeteen parishes and they all looked the same, but yes some worse, some not so bad. I emailed lifeteen and so one of the head priests of lifeteen.org emailed me back being totally condescending. I emailed all the refereneces to the GIRM showing their abuses, then he refered me to canon law trying to claim their justification. I spat back canon law at him and then the tried to claim that I could not know about canon law because I am not a priest, I am young, blah blah blah. Then he was claiming that they had sent a letter to the pope trying to get approval and that they were only waiting for his response (yeah like the pope is gonna do that). So I showed him where you must halt all abuse until it is authorized. He just kept blowing me off. Now it is super funny cause lifeteen got the smackdown and if you read on the lifeteen page....it was saying how the changes are welcomed and they are more than happy to comply....yeah, that is why they have been abusing for 20 years now. But serious, if you can't get youth into the church by Jesus, by his true body and blood, by true teachings....why try to trick our kids by merely entertianing them with abusues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiL Kat Said Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 [quote name='SevenSorrows' date='Oct 20 2004, 09:18 AM'] But serious, if you can't get youth into the church by Jesus, by his true body and blood, by true teachings....why try to trick our kids by merely entertianing them with abusues? [/quote] Sorry but I don't like to think that i've been "tricked" into the Church. When lifeteen started at my church i had no idea that any of these things might or could be wrong, and frankly i didn't care at all. I'm a cradle catholic and going to church and going to a catholic school has been routine for me. I mean i'm a teen and i didn't really care about what was happening at mass. I see life teen as an interesting way to get Teens interested. Guitar and Bass and Drums seemed so much cooler to me than an organ. The music makes you think about the words then i started to think about the acctual mass. The core members and my Youth Group leader were so cool and young. Very different from before. I soon began to realize what an extraordinary and amazing thing happens at mass, how wonderful and great it really is. So yes, i think that these abuses are wrong, but Life teen has stopped them. The teachings are still the same just in a more fun interactive way for teens. I did realize that lifeteen was really Jesus working through these wonderful people to get me and my friends back to the Church. Lots of Love ~Kathleen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Duc_In_Altum' date='Oct 19 2004, 01:59 AM'] There seems to be a lot of unnecessary and unjustified malice for lifeteen programs on phatmass. Lifeteen has been the catalyst for a rebirth in youth ministry in the Catholic Church in America and in Europe. Sure, there are some questionable practices. But isn't it true? [i]The mass should never end.[/i] We must always be mindful of the holy sacrifice in our own daily lives. Now i also agree that the Church should be unified. The GIRM certainly helped that. There [i]shouldn't[/i] be altar calls. There [i]should[/i] be a universal sending in the mass. But on the whole, the good that lifeteen has done for the church has fueled a whole new respect for orthodoxy and its intentions are truely beautiful. When lifeteeen programs are run correctly, they fuel a spirit for obedience and holiness in the lives of young Catholics. So many "cradle Catholics" have lost respect for the orthodox mass. That's not because of lifeteen. That's through our liberal society and the entertainment age we live in. There is a very shallow perception that the mass is "boring" and just because they aren't jumping and dancing, the mass isn't feeding them. Turning our heads in bitterness and lashing out at that mentality is certainly not the way to bring people back to respect for orthodoxy. [i]We are called to love[/i]. Lifeteen does that. It has a spiritual gift to bring in fenceline Catholics and other Christians and educate them in the mass and Catholic Church. After appreciating the mass in a more evangelistic and charismatic form, they grow in appreciation of the roots of that kind of liturgy. The orthodox mass grows in their hearts and they begin to love that too. Lifeteen has a very loving and universal perspective. It allows people to come back to their roots through a new vision of teen ministry. That is a very beautiful thing. I sense that a lot of phatmass peeps, though their intentions are good, have this unnecessary bitterness for lifeteen that really needs to peace outta here. Many Catholics who love the Holy Sacrifice today have returned home through the love and mercy of our everlasting redeemer and lifeteen programs. I know this because I, a cradler, returned through a lifeteen program. I now greatly prefer orthodoxy to lifeteen but i understand and welcome the program and the growth it creates. After all, the Lifeteen mass is still [i]a mass[/i] which is "heaven on earth." We must be welcoming and rejoice that Catholics are returning home. The lost sheep have been found! in faith, hope, and Christ, -Joe [/quote] No one is against lost sheep returning, however the ends do not justify the means. You don't add or subtract anything from the Mass, you simply do the Mass properly to begin with The road to hell is paved with good intentions. You don't need a teen Mass and a senior citizen Mass or a toddler Mass or a divorced Mass- you need a properly done MAss. Edited October 20, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 20 2004, 10:41 AM'] You don't need a teen Mass and a senior citizen Mass or a toddler Mass or a divorced Mass- you need a properly done MAss. [/quote] amen!! Edited October 20, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azaelia Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 20 2004, 11:41 AM'] No one is against lost sheep returning, however the ends do not justify the means. You don't add or subtract anything from the Mass, you simply do the Mass properly to begin with The road to hell is paved with good intentions. You don't need a teen Mass and a senior citizen Mass or a toddler Mass or a divorced Mass- you need a properly done MAss. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiZzGiG Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I don't understand. The Mass is not being corrupted. They corrected the abuses. They're following the Vatican's orders. Also, did the Church not change from Latin to English so that people could understand the Mass? Why can't you in turn, change some of the music, perhaps, to better understand the Mass? A person in Mexico is different person from a person in America, correct? A teenage person is different from an adult person also. A Mexican Mass might have a different language from an American Mass; likewise a teen Mass might have different style of music from an adult Mass. The truth of the Mass is still the same. It is a time of worship and a time in which Heaven meets Earth -- that truth remains. If this is so, what is the problem? Besides, at many churches, there is a children's Mass on holidays (Easter, Christmas, etc.). How is this so different from having a teen Mass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofizzle Posted October 20, 2004 Author Share Posted October 20, 2004 [quote name='SevenSorrows' date='Oct 20 2004, 09:18 AM'] I don't like lifeteen. Yes their are a TON of liturgical abuses. It is actually funny because first I wanted to see if lifeteen taught new lifeteen churches to do these abuses. Lifeteen wanted me to buy their instructional videos for like $150. I had been to a few different lifeteen parishes and they all looked the same, but yes some worse, some not so bad. I emailed lifeteen and so one of the head priests of lifeteen.org emailed me back being totally condescending. I emailed all the refereneces to the GIRM showing their abuses, then he refered me to canon law trying to claim their justification. I spat back canon law at him and then the tried to claim that I could not know about canon law because I am not a priest, I am young, blah blah blah. Then he was claiming that they had sent a letter to the pope trying to get approval and that they were only waiting for his response (yeah like the pope is gonna do that). So I showed him where you must halt all abuse until it is authorized. He just kept blowing me off. Now it is super funny cause lifeteen got the smackdown and if you read on the lifeteen page....it was saying how the changes are welcomed and they are more than happy to comply....yeah, that is why they have been abusing for 20 years now. But serious, if you can't get youth into the church by Jesus, by his true body and blood, by true teachings....why try to trick our kids by merely entertianing them with abusues? [/quote] On Liturgical Abuses: While the abuses were wrong. When the Holy See brought it to the attention of LIFETEEN Int'l. They were 100% obedient to the magesterium. Any parish that is an official LIFETEEN parish recieved the video regarding the changes that needed to be made to the mass. The Liturgical abuses do not fall on LIFETEEN in general. The litugical abuses fall on the shoulders of the pasotrs who allowed it to happen. We gathered around the altar for maybe a month untill Our TEENS asked us to not do it. We never had the LIFETEEN mass they had at other parishes because 1) we didn't want it and 2) our pastor would not allow it because he knows the rules. I believe every Parish has made the necesary changes in their respective LIFETEEN masses and if they have not they do not represent LIFETEEN as a whole. I don't think it is fair for you to say LIFETEEN got the smackdown b/c the LIFETEEN program did not stress that parishes do the altar gather. It was something parishes started doing after going to St. Tim's in AZ. It is not recomended to individual parishes its alsmot like tis been passed down. On Being tricked: LIFETEEN is not just about the Mass. While the Mass is the source and summit of our faith. LIFETEEN is a comprehensive youth ministry programing. Including Cathechesis, Social Activity, Worship, and Community. The Basis of the program is love. Its called relational ministry. The reasons why so many teens love LIFETEEN is because they found a place where they were loved and where they thought they belonged. Mon. Dale Fushek has a great story he tells about why that is an important part of LIFETEEn. [quote]You don't need a teen Mass and a senior citizen Mass or a toddler Mass or a divorced Mass- you need a properly done MAss. [/quote] You are right. But by this logic there is no need for a Spanish mass, either. The simple fact is the mass doesn't change. Nothing changes but the things that are allowed to be changed. For our LIFETEEN Mass we have better music and homilies that teens can relate to more. They need it, and if you dont work with youth you wont understand. Our youth today are imersed in a culture that many people have no idea about. The are constantly bombarded with sin and if I can help in anyway to help provide an enviroment where they can meet God face to face in the Eucharist. I'm gunna do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 20 2004, 11:41 AM'] No one is against lost sheep returning, however the ends do not justify the means. You don't add or subtract anything from the Mass, you simply do the Mass properly to begin with The road to hell is paved with good intentions. You don't need a teen Mass and a senior citizen Mass or a toddler Mass or a divorced Mass- you need a properly done MAss. [/quote] Holy Cow cmom! This is twice in one week we have been in agreement on something. Surely the world is coming to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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