flip Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 If a Catholic votes for Kerry in the upcoming election, will that person be committing a mortal sin and therfore must go to confession? Also, is it still a mortal sin to vote for Bush, since he is a pro life candidate, however, he is not pro-life in ALL cases, such as in cases of rape, incest, or threat to the mother's life? This is an interesting debate that I got into... what do the Masses think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Not necessarily. If a person has a false conscience (one that says it's best to vote for Kerry) and this is invincible ignorance (or maybe a little vincible ignorance) that they don't know, then no. In simpler terms, if they don't know better, then it can't be a mortal sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Joe Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 But we are also responsible for properly forming our consciences. If we are willfully ingnorant of the wrongness of such an act, it will increase our culpability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Voting for Kerry would be a mortal sin, because there are no proportionate reasons to vote for him. In order for there to be a proportionate reason to vote for him, his opponent would have to be a genocidal maniac on the scale of Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot. However low our opinion may be of Bush, he is no Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 [quote name='Hananiah' date='Oct 1 2004, 02:50 PM'] Voting for Kerry would be a mortal sin, because there are no proportionate reasons to vote for him. In order for there to be a proportionate reason to vote for him, his opponent would have to be a genocidal maniac on the scale of Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot. However low our opinion may be of Bush, he is no Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot. [/quote] You know fully well that what you are calling a "mortal sin" is actually a grave matter. Please, we need to distinguish between those two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 (edited) voting for Kerry would be taciturn support of abortion. better not to vote at all, if you can not vote for Bush. Bush is the only electable candidate whose record indicates a pro-life stance. His support for the partial birth abortion ban is stellar. While he is not perfect as he does support it in cases of rape or incest, he is better than Kerry when it comes to this. There are those who say we can't make this election about one issue. But they are wrong. The impact of the war, the economy, these things are [b]debatable[/b]. Abortion is not debatable. We have a clear moral prerogative against abortion. The war in Iraq may be a bad thing, it may not. It has only cost 1050-odd American lives. How many Americans are sacrificed on the altar of abortion each year? And do we support a candidate who though Catholic is too afraid to let his faith influence his politics, and better change the world? If Kerry came out and outlined a social agenda that was in line with Catholic teachings, then the war would be a very decisive issue for me. However...Kerry is against his Church and he is against her teachings. I don't want him to be president. Edited October 2, 2004 by toledo_jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 a sin of grave matter objectively speaking is a mortal sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Aluigi, that's not necessarily true. For a sin to be mortal, three things must be present simultaneoulsy. It must be grave matter, the person must know what he or she is doing is wrong, and he or she must fully will to do it. If any of these three are lacking, the sin is not mortal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 objectively speaking. you're speaking subjectively to specific cases. but when talking about sins you say this or that is a mortal sin if it has the potential to be a mortal sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 [quote name='Aluigi' date='Oct 2 2004, 04:57 PM'] objectively speaking. you're speaking subjectively to specific cases. but when talking about sins you say this or that is a mortal sin if it has the potential to be a mortal sin. [/quote] Very true. I don't know. I just get a little nervous when people don't clarify that. But yeah, I'd say that it is a mortal sin to vote for Kerry if you really know what you are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TraditionalCatholic Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 Kerry is known for his heresy on issues of the Church. Bush is a known Mason. Honestly, sin is sin and we're doomed either way. It's like diet coke or diet pepsi. Let's get George's brother to run instead. Jeb a known Catholic convert. He was fighting for Terri Schiavo when none of our leaders dared to say a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 is Bush a Mason? provide evidence for this please, i was unaware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TraditionalCatholic Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 [url="http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/kerry_bush_sb.htm"]http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_socie...rry_bush_sb.htm[/url] Yes, Alex Jones on that site can be extreme at times. But the fact is true in this nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 it appears no one really knows anything about this skull and bones thing.. it's not necessarily mason... though it might seem a bit shady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 I've read that one of their initiation rituals involves a statue of Don Quixote and the Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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