Is there a Population Problem

[Oik]

Iacobus Glory to God! I would be just as happy if I never had any than if I were to have ten. So we both agree, it's up to God!

[Oik]

Aluigi, agreed.

[Guest Aluigi]

anyway, you know the Catholic Church has always had it's own form of population control.. it's called:

THE MONASTERY!

[CreepyCrawler]

i don't think we've reached the carrying capacity of earth, we just distribute resources (food, water, etc.) so poorly that it just seems like it. with a little effort and more sharing, i think that the whole world could live comfortably with full stomachs eating what we currently produce....

[ironmonk]

[quote name='burnsspivey' date='Nov 30 2004, 06:33 PM'] Yes, they can.

From [url="http://www.china.org.cn/english/2002/Oct/46138.htm"]China.org[/url]:

[i]First, I'd like to explain China's family planning policy. China's family planning policy is not the "one child policy" as understood by some people. The government advocates each couple to have one child in accordance with the family planning policy. However, any couple facing genuine difficulties, mainly those in rural areas whose first child is a girl, can apply for the birth of second child by going through the necessary formalities. If couples in urban areas are both the product of a one child family they are entitled to produce a second child.

Second, the Population and Family Planning law clearly stipulates that those citizens who give birth to more children than permitted by regulation will have to face the consequences of legally imposed economic penalties.[/i] [/quote]
I'll take the word of the human rights groups over what communists who imprison people for being Catholic.





God Bless,
ironmonk

[popestpiusx]

For all your population informational needs (and to refute Iacobus' nonsense about the world reaching this mythological "k") see the following website:

[url="http://pop.org/"]http://pop.org/[/url]

Edited December 1, 2004 by popestpiusx

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='Oik' date='Nov 30 2004, 08:34 PM'] Also, they are still arresting, torturing, and persecuting Catholics.

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Don't think that catholics are alone in this.

[quote]The problem is distribution. Also, the entire world's population could fit in a space the size of texas with around 1200 square foot a person and still have to entire world left to be inhabited. Even though there isn't a lot of arable land, technological advancements have allowed for man to grow food in places it should be able to be grown. Also, technology allows for man to grow in places not designed for growing (like on the roof of your house in new york city).[/quote]

The entire population of the world could [b]fit[/b] into the state of Texas -- we could not [b]live[/b] in the state of Texas. There is an enormous difference between the two.

Edited December 1, 2004 by burnsspivey

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Dec 1 2004, 08:45 AM'] I'll take the word of the human rights groups over what communists who imprison people for being Catholic.





God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
Good luck with that.

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 1 2004, 08:54 AM'] For all your population informational needs (and to refute Iacobus' nonsense about the world reaching this mythological "k") see the following website:

[url="http://pop.org/"]http://pop.org/[/url] [/quote]
Because that's an objective source, right?

[Dreamweaver]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 1 2004, 08:54 AM'] For all your population informational needs (and to refute Iacobus' nonsense about the world reaching this mythological "k") see the following website:

[url="http://pop.org/"]http://pop.org/[/url] [/quote]
Ah! Thank you popestpiusx for that link! I remember looking at that website a while ago but I couldn't remember the name of it to save my life! I especially like their articles on China's "One Child" policy. Traditionally, China granted exceptions to women of minorty nationalities, but one article followed the life of one woman who was punished severely for having a second child, despite the exemption.

How sad that so many minds today focus on the problem of world overpopulaton! If only we could distribute resources more evenly. I would really hate to see how countries in Europe and Japan that have negative population growth will fare in the future. Who will be working to care for the elderly?

Large families increase the economy and insure a more stable future.

[Oik]

[quote]The entire population of the world could fit into the state of Texas -- we could not live in the state of Texas. There is an enormous difference between the two.[/quote]

It would be a small step to bridge the gap between fitting and living...

[Socrates]

Yes the population is still growing, but fertility rates (number of children per woman) are rapidly declining through most of the world. With current trends, the actual world population will begin declining in 30-50 years.

The world will not reach the point where it cannot be fed.

By using all its farmland with the latest technology, the world could feed 12 billion people. (Much subsidized farmland in the this country, for instance, is not actually being used.)

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Dec 1 2004, 09:22 PM'] Yes the population is still growing, but fertility rates (number of children per woman) are rapidly declining through most of the world.  With current trends, the actual world population will begin declining in 30-50 years.

The world will not reach the point where it cannot be fed.

By using all its farmland with the latest technology, the world could feed 12 billion people.  (Much subsidized farmland in the this country, for instance, is not actually being used.) [/quote]
In 50 years, the population in North America and Europe would be less than it is today, while Asia, South America, Africa, and [b]I think[/b] Australia would be on the rise. Got this from Britannica.

Edited December 2, 2004 by Paladin D

[Socrates]

It's impossible to actually predict population numbers, but most projections (until very recently) do not take into account the rate at which fertitliy rates have recently been declining world-wide. (with even slightly different variables, you get very different numbers.)

Again, there is a delay between when fertility levels hit below replacement levels, and when the actual population decline begins. The actual decline in population has already begun in Europe and is beginning in Japan.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Dec 1 2004, 09:54 PM'] It's impossible to actually predict population numbers, but most projections (until very recently) do not take into account the rate at which fertitliy rates have recently been declining world-wide. (with even slightly different variables, you get very different numbers.)

Again, there is a delay between when fertility levels hit below replacement levels, and when the actual population decline begins. The actual decline in population has already begun in Europe and is beginning in Japan. [/quote]
Bummer, I have a feeling this is some sort of global-trick. We make fewer babies, so when we're desperately low... it gives people an excuse to make 10 million babies.

[God Conquers]

Overpopulation is a conspiracy.

Yes I said conspiracy, and I have never uttered that word before on this site (can you utter over the internet?)

Who are the major proponents of this theory? Planned Parenthood, UNPF and others like them.

Who donates money to keep these organizations going? Corporate America

How do they initiate population control? Abortion Abortion Abortion, Contraception, Contraception Contraception

Who ultimately gains from this slaughter of innocents and corruption of cultures in 3rd world nations? Drug Companies, Condom Manufacturers, the companies that donate monney to fuel Planned Parenthood and UNPF propoganda

Corporate America has their pockets lined once again, this time with blood.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='burnsspivey' date='Dec 1 2004, 10:48 AM'] Because that's an objective source, right? [/quote]
And what do they have to gain by being wrong? I used to work there. I know every single person that works there. You show me one shred of evidence that anything on that sight is wrong and I will get it researched and, if need be, corrected. Surely you are not suggesting the sight is propagating misinformation without positing some evidence to support your claim?

[Fool4Christ]

Over population is a big fib. It's an excuse for abortion, contraception, euthanasia.

The truth is, we have never had so much food. With all the modern technology, farmers are able to produce more off less land for less labor. The problem is that we're not good about sharing with poorer countries. Farmers would and could raise more of their crops if there was a bigger demand for them. But they end up growing too much and it goes to waste. I recently heard an expert on population say that the U.S. could raise enough crops independently to feed the whole world.

The bigger problem is shrinking populations. Some countries are already having problems because their ratio of young/aged is badly lop-sided, and so there are not enough working-age people to care for the elderly.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote]As to allowing only 1 child per couple...well, they get a lot of benefits if they only have one child, but they can have more if they so choose.

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Okay I don't get my information from a site i get my information from people who lived there who I know personally, and there are a few things you must understand about this one child policy, in China you do not have the right to have one child and no more, you don't have the "right" to have any children at all... in order to have a child one must get permission to have that child from one political boss, you have to get permission to even move in with your spouse( this is seperate from getting married) here are two stories to give you an Idea: one couple both dentist( educated urban party members) had to wait 5 years before being allowed to move in with each other 5 YEARS! from the time of there marriage before there political boss would give thm permission to move intothe same 1 room appartment. Now as for the 1 child rule the following story is not something i read about it is something I absolutly KNOW occured, the women involved in this story was an American citizen teaching China but her husband was a Chinese citizen ( also a dentist) they where married with the permission of the government and lived in her appartment which she recieved for being a professor, she is Catholic he is a Christian( in the part of China he came from there was no denominations and NO Catholics there was only Christians and non-christians do to persecution) anyway unconcerned as she was an American she became pregnant ( not on purpose just liveing a Christian marriage) without permission; once her political boss found out he told he she would HAVE to have an abortion, she refused informed him she would resign and if neccessary move home without her husband until arrangments could be made with the government for him to come to America ( you can't just leave China, you have to pay the government for your education plus you have to grease some palms) anyway her party officer responded that she was an american and he could not stop her but that if she didn't have the abortion or if she left even after haveing the abortion that under his authority her husband would be executed, he then showed her evidence of his power to do exactly that. How is that for cohersion abort your baby or I'll kill your husband. She had the Abortion... I can't say I approve, I don't understand Chinese men I would have put her on a plane, taken a kitchen knife and ended that particular party members population control but I'm a Texan we arn't normal, stillthat is what happened, it isn't some faceless persons story this women is real her emotional scaring is real and that babies death was real don't tell me that you can have more than one baby in China, you can have as many as your political superiors say you can.

We shouldn't be at war in Iraq... we should be at war with China.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 2 2004, 10:28 AM']
We shouldn't be at war in Iraq... we should be at war with China. [/quote]
We would lose.