Is there a Population Problem

[Dreamweaver]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='Dec 2 2004, 05:51 PM'] So burnspivy, what do you define as an objective source on the subject? I bet it would be difficult to find one that does not hold a very obvious political bent.

Planned Parenthood donates tons of money to the democratic party so you couldn't use any sources affiliated with them, which is goign to be hard. [/quote]
Yes, I too would be interested in seeing a website that objectively covers the issue of overpopulation (or the misdistribution of resources) on our planet. There are plenty that take the pro-abortion/pro-birthcontrol stance such as [url="http://www.unfpa.org/"]UNFPA[/url], [url="http://www.zerogrowth.org/"]Zero Growth[/url], [url="http://www.populationconnection.org/"]Population Connection[/url](formerly Zero Population Growth). These sites can't be used, they obviously have a political bent.

[Oik]

[quote]Actually it would be an extremely large step.

171,904,640/6,276,000,000 = 0.027 acres

Plus we would have to have area to grow food plus areas for business plus room for roads... I could go on, but I won't. It simply wouldn't work. [/quote]

It would work. You'd have the entire rest of the world to grow crops and food. With genetic technology, you can grow bigger better more resistant food quciker for cheaper.

But lets not even stop there my friends, let's just get ridiculious. Look, if Overpopulation is true, we need some quick solutions to some terrible problems, right?

Start growing food on hydoponic farms on the Moon! Make people live underwater and in space. Heck, have hydroponic farms in the ocean, on top the oceans. Build floating cities in the sky. Live underground.

Basically folks, the possibilities for solution go on for eternity.

So, if overpopulation is a problem, looks like I just solved it.

[Oik]

Dear Lord,
Ihope it is in your plan for me to have thirteen children. Amen

P.S. Help up all to see past our indifferences

[MagiDragon]

i wish i could remember the exact statistics, and where i heard them, but unfortunately i can't . . . but they are still quite interesting

i'd heard that if we put all farmland that people *don't* use into use in 1950 we could have fed 60 billion people. Now, we have roughly 6 billion people currently onboard planet earth . . . we've got a ways to go before we hit 60 billion. Plus, this doesn't account for how much technology has improved. Today crops can put out twice the yields they could have 50 years ago.

There is not a population problem, but there is simply a problem getting food where it needs to go. In nations that have food shortages you will invariably find that they have either had a recent catastrophe or they are led by a selfish dictatorial regime. (This includes extreme of communism, fascism or monarchism) These regimes use food as a political tool to maintain their power.

There's not a lack of food, but simply a lack of freedom that causes food shortages.

Peace,
Joe

[MagiDragon]

[quote name='Oik' date='Dec 3 2004, 05:10 PM'] Dear Lord,
Ihope it is in your plan for me to have thirteen children. Amen

P.S. Help up all to see past our indifferences [/quote]
*grins* Amen. I want to have a big family!

. . . did you mean 'help us to see pas our differences'? or our indifferences? i think both are actually quite valid . . .

[Oik]

[quote]did you mean 'help us to see pas our differences'? or our indifferences? i think both are actually quite valid . . [/quote]

(he he) I meant differences, but your right, so I guess really both!

[Paladin D]

One way to really piss abortionists off: Have 20 kids per family, and watch as we slowly take over by our numbers. *Evil laugh*

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='Oik' date='Dec 3 2004, 05:08 PM'] It would work. You'd have the entire rest of the world to grow crops and food. With genetic technology, you can grow bigger better more resistant food quciker for cheaper. [/quote]
Actually, you've just ruined the point of the statement. If the entire population can live in the state of Texas -- then they have to actually live, work, etc in the state of Texas. You can't use the rest of the world without the exercise becoming pointless.

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 2 2004, 04:36 PM'] I am well aware of who founded them. I used to work for them. I know Fr. Marx and single person who works for them (as I said before). Your argument is basically thus: anyone who starts organizations that are pro-life (and therefore against contraception) must not be objective; rather, he must be doing so for some political reason, ergo, he must not be trusted? Is that the gist of your argument? Please tell me you have more than that.

It seems to me you are questioning the motives of people you don't even know without presenting a single shred of evidence to support your accusations. As I said before, provide me with evidence that they are wrong on anything. Back up your argument that PRI is not trustwrthy with some facts. Otherwise, keep it to yourself. I don't much care for people making baseless accusations against people I know and have the utmost respect for (or anyone for that matter.) [/quote]
Actually, my point was closer to this:

1) They claim objectivity in relation to population issues.
2) They claim status as a pro-life group.
3) A Pro-life stance is not objective; especially relating to population issues.
4) [b]I[/b] will not trust them.

Even if they didn't specifically claim to be pro-life I would still find their info suspicious because they seem to present only one side of an issue.

The rest of you are correct that there are very, very few objective sources...anywhere.

[popestpiusx]

So, being pro-life makes one not objective?

It seems that your definition of objective is “possessing no thoughts due to a vacuous void between ones ears”.

When what one asserts corresponds to reality it is quite objective to hold said assertion to be true.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='burnsspivey' date='Dec 6 2004, 02:02 PM'] Actually, you've just ruined the point of the statement. If the entire population can live in the state of Texas -- then they have to actually live, work, etc in the state of Texas. You can't use the rest of the world without the exercise becoming pointless. [/quote]
The statement is being taken to a rediculous level here. No one is actually suggesting that we ship the population of the world to Texas. What the statement proves is that the population of the world could fit in Texas (and incidently have a population density less than New York City, at least this was true a few years ago) and the rest of the world would be empty. It is simply to demonstrate that there is not an overpopulation problem because there is an unbelieveable amount of uninhabited land that, with some work and planning, could easily be inhabited. The problem is that everyomne crams into these Sodom and Ghamorra like cities (New York, San Fran, Etc.). The cities are certainly overpoulated. The planet, however, is not.

Apart from that, God commanded man to go forth and multiply. I'm quite certain that he knows very well how many people can fit on this planet. He did create it after all. I find it hard to believe that we could endanger ourselves or the planet by merely obeying Gods command.

[aloha918]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 7 2004, 10:23 AM'] The statement is being taken to a rediculous level here. No one is actually suggesting that we ship the population of the world to Texas. What the statement proves is that the population of the world could fit in Texas (and incidently have a population density less than New York City, at least this was true a few years ago) and the rest of the world would be empty. It is simply to demonstrate that there is not an overpopulation problem because there is an unbelieveable amount of uninhabited land that, with some work and planning, could easily be inhabited. The problem is that everyomne crams into these Sodom and Ghamorra like cities (New York, San Fran, Etc.). The cities are certainly overpoulated. The planet, however, is not.

Apart from that, God commanded man to go forth and multiply. I'm quite certain that he knows very well how many people can fit on this planet. He did create it after all. I find it hard to believe that we could endanger ourselves or the planet by merely obeying Gods command. [/quote]
just because all of them could "fit" inside Texas...or whatever state you want to say......we all could not live in texas because of the amount of food that every person needs, materials, water............I feel there is a population problem not because of the amount of people necessarialy but because of our lack of resources......

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='aloha918' date='Dec 7 2004, 11:31 AM'] I feel there is a population problem not because of the amount of people necessarialy but because of our lack of resources...... [/quote]
Lack of resources? Do you realize how much food is wasted in this country. Or that the government pays farmers to to till under their crops (in order to keep prices from plumeting). One of my professors met an African tribsman from some counrty or ther over there and this man told him that if the government would just leave them and the land alone and let them farm his tribe alone could feed half the country. The problem is not a lack of resources. It's a lack of creativity, ingenuity, and to much government manipulation of the markets (as well as other things they stick thier hands in).

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='aloha918' date='Dec 7 2004, 11:31 AM'] I feel there is a population problem [/quote]
Herein lies the problem. You "feel" there is a population problem. Try "thinking" about. The fact do not correspond to your feeling.

[aloha918]

I was saying that if you had us live in Texas we wouldnt have enough resources to live..........

[Socrates]

It's a little ridiculous how this "everybody living in Texas" illustration seems to have become the main focus of this debate. The world is not going to get that crowded, so that is a little beside the point.

And besides, if everbody lived in the state of Texas, they could get recources, food, water, etc., from outside the state. The world, using its current cropland, could feed twice the world's current population (and all indications are that the world's population will not reach that number.)

[aloha918]

we are exspected to run out of oil in the next 50 years..........is that a lot of resources? maybe be for a short time, but not for years to come

If i said that we would run out of food i must have wrote it wrong.....there is no way that we will run out of food

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Dec 4 2004, 11:58 PM'] One way to really piss abortionists off: Have 20 kids per family, and watch as we slowly take over by our numbers. *Evil laugh* [/quote]
Otherwise known as the "Roe Effect". And funnily ehough, it works

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='aloha918' date='Dec 7 2004, 02:50 PM'] we are exspected to run out of oil in the next 50 years..........is that a lot of resources? maybe be for a short time, but not for years to come

If i said that we would run out of food i must have wrote it wrong.....there is no way that we will run out of food [/quote]
50 years? Says who?

And even if it is true (and I don't think it is), that is not a problem of overpopulation, its a problem of lifestyle and it has nothing to do with population. The US is not the most populous nation. It does, however, consume the most resources (several times over the next highest).

[Don John of Austria]

The US has nough Coal to use Coal for ALL of it's energy, ALL of it to make synthetic gas for all it's cars, to replace hydroelectic dams with nuclear reactors, etc and have enough for 300 years, 300 years that is a LOT of coal, that doesn't include the Coal in other parts of the world just the coal in the US herself.