Marijuana

[drewmeister2]

Yes, ironmonk, I actually have read those paragraphs before. But keep in mind, only recently has science shown how bad smoking tobacco really is, and Im sure, in the future, that the Church may change their stance on tobacco. I would say, to discern whether or not something is really good or harmful for your body, look at whether it hurts your health. We are also instructed in the Catechism to take care of our bodies, and if we do drugs, and we know that these drugs do harm, then we are sinning, because we are explicitly told not to harm our bodies. That is probably the best way to go. I think right now, though, the Church has bigger issues than cigarettes, with sexual sins being a major problem right now morally. God bless!

[J.R.D]

I dont see what the big deal is any ways

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Dreamweaver' date='Dec 2 2004, 12:06 AM'] With many pot users, I've noticed that many of them have problems with other parts of their lives. It seems as if they turn to drugs to escape from stress and other problems. If one ends up using marijuana to escape from reality, it can easily become the only way someone knows how to cope with the stresses of reality.

If marijuana were legal, and if someone were to take a small toke now and then, I could see that it wouldn't be a mortal sin. I don't see why someone would only smoke in moderation, and occasionally. Plus it stinks nasty.

Medicinal use is another weird grey area. I could see it being used if it were under close supervision of a doctor. You'd have a definate problem if someone were to grow their own "medicine" and share with others without a prescription. Ideally, pharmaceutical companies could find a way to produce just the THC, to allow for a more consistent, uniform product. [/quote]
I believe it is synthetic now, but I could be wrong.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[toledo_jesus]

medicinally, I see no problem with marijuana. I liken it to morphine in that respect. However...oh never mind.

[Guest]

you can smoke pot and be in perfect control
im not endorseing it, but to say that you are either "totally out of it, or no effect at all " is not true.........God created marijauna, im not sayen go smoke it, but you cant judge someone who does and say its a sin.......in genisis it says that every seed bearing plant is good and of God....He said " See, I give you every seed bearing plant all over the earth and every tree that that has seed bearing fruit on it to be your food...............And paul talks about this to, he says that when it comes to "foods" let no'one judge you....if you chose to eat, then that is your choice, and if one chooses not to eat, that is their choice.....He says that the one who does not eat should not condem the one who does, while the one who does choose to eat should not hate the one who chooses to abstain....Now im not sayen its right to smoke pot, becuz one, it is illegal here in america.....but on the other hand its not right to pass judgement and say its a sin for someone who does.......

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[Guest]

I think drugs are terrible, and i have seen them ruin lifes....so ya marijuana is surely a drug, and i think it can be a very bad drug when abused and also when used as a gateway drug to harder drugs.......but pot in itself, if used in modest amounts, can be very usefull, you know how many aritst use pot ?? i dont think its someting anyone should endorse, like paul said, if you by choozeing to eat, cause your brother to sin, that you have sinned also.....but i think alota people are ingnorant about it, and come out with very off the wall and harsh opionons..and im not sayen thats wrong, becuz after all, their heart is in the right place attacking drugs........but think about way back in the day, b-4 "marijuana" was illegal, back then i bet tons of people smoked, and if it wasnt a sin back then to smoke, it cant be a sin now to smoke.....ya i see the point about it being illegal, so ya, thats a good point, we cant do whats illegal.......and im not even tryen to go way out there on this one...but in the scriptures it says " that Jesus, the son of man, came both eating and drinking, and they said he was possessed by demons" remember, God gave us every seed bearing plant to be used as food.........i know if you asked me what was more dangerous, a bottle of 80 proof liquer or a rolled up joint, i could confidently tell you that the liquer is way more dangerous.....ya pot has bad effects, esspially when people become addicted and live non motivated lifes....but if used in moderation, by a mature adult, i dont see what the problem is....remember, God is the same yesterday as he his today

[Guest A Tall Guy]

[quote name='thedude' date='Dec 1 2004, 10:00 PM'] I have never seen a drug user that used weed to get a "light buzz". That's just my experience. [/quote]
*raises hand*.

I disliked getting stoned; most of the time I smoked I was explicity aiming for "light buzz". I also never smoked enough to build up any tolerance. Never was much of a pot-head.

[quote]The point of smoking the garbage is to get high. You're wasting your money if you aren't at least getting blazed. wasting it further, I mean.[/quote]

I know that was the thinking of some of my pot-head friends, but it was never mine. It's the same reasoning that my alcoholic friend used against me, "you're wasting your money if you stop after two beers, because the point of drinking is to get drunk. Here, have another."

Interesting thread.
Tom

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='drewmeister2' date='Dec 1 2004, 11:11 PM'] Yes, ironmonk, I actually have read those paragraphs before. But keep in mind, only recently has science shown how bad smoking tobacco really is, and Im sure, in the future, that the Church may change their stance on tobacco. I would say, to discern whether or not something is really good or harmful for your body, look at whether it hurts your health. We are also instructed in the Catechism to take care of our bodies, and if we do drugs, and we know that these drugs do harm, then we are sinning, because we are explicitly told not to harm our bodies. That is probably the best way to go. I think right now, though, the Church has bigger issues than cigarettes, with sexual sins being a major problem right now morally. God bless! [/quote]
It has been theorized for centuries that Tobacco can cause health problems. The Church will not be changing her position. Toacco effects different people in different ways, much like many other things such as sugar, various saturated fats, etc. When used in moderation, there is nothing sinful about it, ontologically or otherwise.

[cmotherofpirl]

Weed rewires your brain, do you really think God gave you excess brain cells to waste?

I grew up in the 60's, some of the people who were doing weed back then have been in a permanent fog for years. Some of them now need keepers. Would you like your mom to have to take care of you forever?

The light buzz is NOT worth it in the end.

[popestpiusx]

It's much safer to stick with good uisce beatha.

[toledo_jesus]

read the marijuana question in the Q&A.
Especially the last part.

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 2 2004, 10:03 AM'] read the marijuana question in the Q&A.
Especially the last part. [/quote]
[quote]Marijuana (and all drugs that affect the cognitive faculties) is ALWAYS morally illicit because it violates the human dignity of man by inhibiting his ability to make a moral choice. [/quote]

How is this different from alcohol or tobacco? Tobacco definitely effects cognitive function as does alcohol.

[PennyLane]

Let's say Mary Jane was legal in the US...

would it still be a sin??

Smoking cigs aren't a sin... either are smoking cigars.

You can drive while high, you can study while you're high, you can do pretty much anything while you're high on Marijuana. It just gives you the munchies and makes your senses more in tune with what's going on.

I guess I can see a point though, you aren't suppose to drink toget drunk andif you smoke up, your intention is to get high...

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='PennyLane' date='Dec 2 2004, 01:38 PM'] I guess I can see a point though, you aren't suppose to drink toget drunk andif you smoke up, your intention is to get high... [/quote]
That's mostly true because marijuana is illegal. What if it were as common as cigarettes? Cigarettes and alcohol give many people a buzz -- what if people smoked marijuana just to get a buzz?

[toledo_jesus]

tobacco doesn't do the same thing weed does.
alcohol doesn't do the same thing weed does.
they are all of them different. they act on your brain differently.

[Guest]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 2 2004, 02:29 PM'] tobacco doesn't do the same thing weed does.
alcohol doesn't do the same thing weed does.
they are all of them different. they act on your brain differently. [/quote]
very true
but i dunno how 80 proof liquer can be legal
and yet pot is illegal
im glad though, cuz it would be a gateway drug and get people to use harder drugs
but then again, if you had to pick wuts worse, liquer is way more dangerous then marijuana

[J.R.D]

Look guys I've done weed and to tell you the truth I still do on accasions ... Its no big deal Im in perfect control of what I do so o well

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 2 2004, 02:29 PM'] tobacco doesn't do the same thing weed does.
alcohol doesn't do the same thing weed does.
they are all of them different. they act on your brain differently. [/quote]
You are correct and yet that is not an answer to my question.

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

Pot is a gateway drug because of the culture surrounding the drug. Most people who sold and smoked pot were also into other drugs. Someone who wanted to smoke pot would likely associate with these people and gradually move on to hard drugs under the influence of others. I've got several friends who drink but do not smoke or do drugs. I hang out and drink with them a lot and I've never been compelled to smoke or do drugs. For a while, I was hanging out with smokers and drug users and some of them tried to convince me to go a little further than alcohol, but their attempts failed.

This 'gateway' effect isn't limited to drugs. Pot is as much a gateway to hard drugs (narcotics, hallucinogenics) as D&D is a gateway to paganism. I know Christians who play D&D with other Christians and they've never come close to becoming (or even acting) pagan. On the other hand, I know Christians who played D&D with non-Christians and it gradually made them non-Christian as well. The game (or the drug) is not the cause, but it's the subcultures surrounding it that influence the directions one takes.

[Guest]

[quote name='1337 k4th0l1x0r' date='Dec 2 2004, 04:12 PM'] Pot is a gateway drug because of the culture surrounding the drug. Most people who sold and smoked pot were also into other drugs. Someone who wanted to smoke pot would likely associate with these people and gradually move on to hard drugs under the influence of others. I've got several friends who drink but do not smoke or do drugs. I hang out and drink with them a lot and I've never been compelled to smoke or do drugs. For a while, I was hanging out with smokers and drug users and some of them tried to convince me to go a little further than alcohol, but their attempts failed.

This 'gateway' effect isn't limited to drugs. Pot is as much a gateway to hard drugs (narcotics, hallucinogenics) as D&D is a gateway to paganism. I know Christians who play D&D with other Christians and they've never come close to becoming (or even acting) pagan. On the other hand, I know Christians who played D&D with non-Christians and it gradually made them non-Christian as well. The game (or the drug) is not the cause, but it's the subcultures surrounding it that influence the directions one takes. [/quote]
very well put