Not Christian without Mary?

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='Archangel' date='Dec 25 2004, 03:15 AM'] So were they lying? [/quote]
They weren't lying, they just weren't inspired. As such, we can trust that the things they say are true only insofar as they can be found in the Word of God.

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='Benedict' date='Dec 25 2004, 02:09 PM'] A response without substance . . . and an irony at that. [/quote]
I fail to see how it is ironic, or how it is without substance. Yes, it proceeds from the epistemology of sola scriptura - but everything you say here proceeds from your epistemology of sola ecclesia. I could just as easily say that your responses are without substance.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 25 2004, 05:58 PM'] I fail to see how it is ironic, or how it is without substance. Yes, it proceeds from the epistemology of sola scriptura - but everything you say here proceeds from your epistemology of sola ecclesia. I could just as easily say that your responses are without substance. [/quote]
Yes, your views are founded upon an epistemological system established almost 500 years ago. A true theological novum.

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='Dec 25 2004, 10:18 PM'] Yes, your views are founded upon an epistemological system established almost 500 years ago. A true theological novum. [/quote]
Actually, it was established by Jesus and St. Paul.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 25 2004, 08:34 PM'] Actually, it was established by Jesus and St. Paul. [/quote]
That is funny. If that is the case you might as well throw out the New Testament. ICTHUS use a little bit of reason from time to time, because doing so will save you embarrassment.

ICTHUS, prove from scripture alone the canon of scripture. Show where in scripture the canon of books is given; only then you will have proven the [i]sola scriptura[/i] doctrine.

God bless,
Todd

[Benedict]

Years ago I tried to do that. I even gave the entire Old Testament as a given and tried only to prove the New Testament. Could not be done.

[Benedict]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 25 2004, 06:58 PM'] I fail to see how it is ironic, or how it is without substance. [/quote]
Without substance - It contains no argument for or against the issue at hand. It is barely an observation.

An irony - The very point you tried to make would refute itself, had it been made. If what a man says is true is not necessarily true then what another man (read: ICTHUS) says is false is not necessarily false. It actually furthers the lack of substance to present a non-point that, when made, is self-refuting.

Hence, a response without substance and an irony at that.