Abortion debate.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 18 2004, 09:47 AM'] Im 95% against abortion, except when the mothers life in danger, then it becomes a neccessary evil. Ive heard of other circumstances where abortion is ethical, but havent really studied much into it. [/quote]
You have heard wrong.
THere is NEVER a legitimate reason to murder another human being.

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Dec 18 2004, 09:31 AM'] You have heard wrong.
THere is NEVER a legitimate reason to murder another human being. [/quote]
No. A Doctor kinda overides you personal opinion. There are a few situations where abortion is legitimate.

[cmotherofpirl]

B.S.

Its not a "personal" opinion.

No doctor has any right to say its ok to murder a child.

No one has that right.

Ever.

Period.

Not in your wildest dreams.

[Phatmasser777]

Its not murder if its to save another life.

[cmotherofpirl]

B.S. again.

Murder is the deliberate killing of an innocent.

You don't murder one person to save another.


You cannot do evil even to have a 'good' result.

[mamalove]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 18 2004, 09:42 AM'] No. A Doctor kinda overides you personal opinion. There are a few situations where abortion is legitimate. [/quote]
If it were me, and my life was in danger and the doctor took the life of my baby to save mine without speaking to me or my husband. . .You better belive that I would press charges against that doctor for the murder of my child.

I would always trade my life for my child.


My stance on abortion: Nobody, and I mean nobody, as the right to decide if and when an unborn child should die. Not the mother, not a doctor. . . Only God.




[i]Note: surgery to correct and ectopic pregnancy is [u]not[/u] an abortion.[/i]

[Phatmasser777]

What if you kill to save an innocent?

Its not murder if its so save the mothers life.

[mamalove]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 18 2004, 10:11 AM'] What if you kill to save an innocent?

Its not murder if its so save the mothers life. [/quote]
Who says the mother is innocent?

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 18 2004, 11:11 AM'] What if you kill to save an innocent?

Its not murder if its so save the mothers life. [/quote]
You can not kill to save anything. No good comes from an evil act!
Now, if you are attacked, kill away. that's not murder. But if you end a life on purpose in order to do anything except defend yourself, you are a murderer.
The way it works is: You can't terminate the pregnancy to save the mother. However, you can perform a different operation that might result in the death of the child. It may be a 99% chance the child will die, but if you aren't doing it on purpose then you are committing no wrong.

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='mamalove' date='Dec 18 2004, 10:11 AM'] If it were me, and my life was in danger and the doctor took the life of my baby to save mine without speaking to me or my husband. . .You better belive that I would press charges against that doctor for the murder of my child.

[b] I didnt say that or give that situation [/b]

I would always trade my life for my child.


My stance on abortion: Nobody, and I mean nobody, as the right to decide if and when an unborn child should die. Not the mother, not a doctor. . . Only God.

[b] The doctor/mother does if her life is in danger, God doesnt exactly have a habit of coming down from his big palace in the sky and going: "Dont do this".[/b]




[i]Note: surgery to correct and ectopic pregnancy is [u]not[/u] an abortion.[/i] [/quote]
^^^

[Brother Adam]

Consider this illustration,

Let's say you bring home a new baby boy from the hospital and that night there is a fire. Even if there is a good possibility you will die to save your child do you risk running into the fire to save your son?

It's no different with a new born. You believe that 95% of the time it would be murder. That other 5% of the time it is still murder. You are opting to save your own life or the mothers over the life of your son or daughter. Any parent worth anything would give their own life for their child.

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='mamalove' date='Dec 18 2004, 10:14 AM'] Who says the mother is innocent? [/quote]
All life is innocent in some way or form.

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 18 2004, 10:22 AM'] You can not kill to save anything. No good comes from an evil act!
Now, if you are attacked, kill away. that's not murder. But if you end a life on purpose in order to do anything except defend yourself, you are a murderer.
The way it works is: You can't terminate the pregnancy to save the mother. However, you can perform a different operation that might result in the death of the child. It may be a 99% chance the child will die, but if you aren't doing it on purpose then you are committing no wrong. [/quote]
Killing isnt an evil act.

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Dec 18 2004, 10:22 AM'] Consider this illustration,

Let's say you bring home a new baby boy from the hospital and that night there is a fire. Even if there is a good possibility you will die to save your child do you risk running into the fire to save your son?

It's no different with a new born. You believe that 95% of the time it would be murder. That other 5% of the time it is still murder. You are opting to save your own life or the mothers over the life of your son or daughter. Any parent worth anything would give their own life for their child. [/quote]
Dumb scenerio, just like dusts one about a burning car.

[Brother Adam]

So prove it wrong.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 18 2004, 12:24 PM'] Killing isnt an evil act. [/quote]
No but murder IS.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 18 2004, 11:24 AM'] Killing isnt an evil act. [/quote]
exactly what I said.

"Now, if you are attacked, kill away"

MURDER is wrong. Abortion is Murder. Killing is not always murder.

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Dec 18 2004, 10:28 AM'] So prove it wrong. [/quote]
Dont need to. Its a dumb scenerio, which is out of context with the topic. Were talking about unborn not born.

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 18 2004, 10:29 AM'] exactly what I said.

"Now, if you are attacked, kill away"

MURDER is wrong. Abortion is Murder. Killing is not always murder. [/quote]
Abortion is murder IF its done for reasons such as:

- I dont want a child
- My BF wont support me, so no point keeping it
- I want a career

Things along those lines.

Its silly to call aborted a baby, to save the mothers life murder, its extremist morality (IE: Ridiculous, and Over-Assertive).

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 18 2004, 11:25 AM'] Abortion is murder IF its done for reasons such as:

- I dont want a child
- My BF wont support me, so no point keeping it
- I want a career

Things along those lines.

Its silly to call aborted a baby, to save the mothers life murder, its extremist morality (IE: Ridiculous, and Over-Assertive). [/quote]
Actually, murder is the intentional killing of an innocent person/child/baby.

If the baby is in the fallopian tubes, which is the only time the mother's health should be in danger (that I know of), there is one procedure, a salpingectomy is appropriate, though sad, but it doesn't actually kill the baby. It's a way that, if it were possible, the baby would be saved.