Abortion debate.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 19 2004, 10:42 AM'] Yes I am adam.



Church has no problem condemning them to hell without baptism.

It is permissible to abort the child to save the mothers life. [/quote]


So you are not Catholic.

Edited December 19, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[homeschoolmom]

My personal thoughts on this are irrelevent. I defer to the Church and hope I am never faced with it...

[Dreamweaver]

(sigh) Please pray for all our unborn. May the Virgin of Guadalupe pray for all the unborn.

[melporcristo]

Amen!

[qfnol31]

Actually, abortion being wrong también falls under Natural Law.

Edited December 19, 2004 by qfnol31

[Benedict]

And, I hope, that is so obvious an argument it need not be made explicit.

[Don John of Austria]

Oh it will have to be made explicit, wait for it.

[mamalove]

Boy, I'm gald my doctor is not like that. He has a conscience.

[Brother Adam]

Like what?

[mamalove]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 19 2004, 08:39 AM'] M.D's, Bio-Ethicists, Medi-Ethicists override anything you say or believe. You can keep saying 'nope' all you like, but there are many scenerios where abortion is legitimate, whether you want to recognize that or not has been proven without a doubt already. [/quote]
Sorry, I was reffering to this comment. I'm a slow poster.

[Brother Adam]

It's s'okay

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Dec 19 2004, 09:44 AM'] Secular Bioethicists or M.D.'s are not people to learn moral value from. Next thing we will be hearing from you is that homosexuality, euthenasia, and China's postbirth-abortion policy are all perfectly okay. You're opinion trumps nothing, most certianly not the Master of the Universe. [/quote]
And either is the Church. If it wasnt for the Church claiming everything that contradicted its strangle hold on Europe with heresy claims, we'd be hundreds of years ahead of what we are today.

Homosexuality isnt ok.
Euthanasia is.
China's situation dont know enough about.

But I certainly aint gonna learn it from here with its extremist 'morality'

[Dreamweaver]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 20 2004, 04:08 AM'] And either is the Church. If it wasnt for the Church claiming everything that contradicted its strangle hold on Europe with heresy claims, we'd be hundreds of years ahead of what we are today.

Homosexuality isnt ok.
Euthanasia is.
China's situation dont know enough about.

But I certainly aint gonna learn it from here with its extremist 'morality' [/quote]
Huh? Where does the Church state that euthanasia is ok?

[drewmeister2]

Euthanasia is never ok. From the CCC:

2277 Whatever its motives and means, direct euthanasia consists in putting an end to the lives of handicapped, sick, or dying persons. It is morally unacceptable.

Thus an act or omission which, of itself or by intention, causes death in order to eliminate suffering constitutes a murder gravely contrary to the dignity of the human person and to the respect due to the living God, his Creator. The error of judgment into which one can fall in good faith does not change the nature of this murderous act, which must always be forbidden and excluded.

2324 Intentional euthanasia, whatever its forms or motives, is murder. It is gravely contrary to the dignity of the human person and to the respect due to the living God, his Creator.

God bless.

Edited December 21, 2004 by drewmeister2

[jmjtina]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 19 2004, 08:39 AM'] but there are many scenerios where abortion is legitimate, whether you want to recognize that or not has been proven without a doubt already. [/quote]
Yeah we have a LAW that give the right for a woman to abort her child for ANY reason.

Your point?

It doesn't make it right.

Enthunasia is ALWAYS wrong. I would like to see your reasoning as to WHY it's okay.

If we kill all those who can love and be loved, there is nothing left but a culture of death.

Murdering people is ALWAYS wrong. Abortion, Enthuansia included.

[Benedict]

Let us try this, since the list may be shorter.

Phatmasser777, which moral teachings of the Church do you agree with?

[Brother Adam]

PM777,

Do you believe in absolutely, or is all truth relative to what you believe you have discovered is truth?

What you see as "extreme" is in truth, a respect and reverence for all life, not just those lives that one sees as deserving to live. Placing the decision of who gets to live and who must die into anyones hands is playing God.

[InHisHands381]

Phatmasser777:

Do you believe in miracles?





If so, how do you know the mother will die for sure? Just because the doctors say she will doesn't mean it's necessarily going to happen. By some miracle she could live. In that case, you would have 2 lives and no babies would have been killed. When I was 2 years old, the doctors told my parents I was either going to die or be paralyzed and thanks to God, I'm perfectly healthy. The doctors are not always right....

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='Dreamweaver' date='Dec 20 2004, 07:32 PM'] Huh? Where does the Church state that euthanasia is ok? [/quote]
Who cares?

We live in secular nations. Catholic law doesnt apply to all.

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='jmjtina' date='Dec 20 2004, 08:08 PM'] Yeah we have a LAW that give the right for a woman to abort her child for ANY reason.

Your point?

It doesn't make it right.

Enthunasia is ALWAYS wrong. I would like to see your reasoning as to WHY it's okay.

If we kill all those who can love and be loved, there is nothing left but a culture of death.

Murdering people is ALWAYS wrong. Abortion, Enthuansia included. [/quote]
If the person cant live or doesnt want to live with the pain of any illness which is terminal, should have the right to end their life.