The Ultimate Sacrifice/Cure for Abortion?

[Q the Ninja]

Oh no, it's not. But it's the beginning. I know many people who do not do all they can, I'm included.

Next is petitions to the government. Those haven't been taken up very much.

The next is patience. Not everything gets fixed over night, and many things take fifty or a hundred years. Hopefully, this won't. But I bet more people would die in a war than children will die to abortion.

And I also believe that education is important.

Also, we should help with the women, they're suffering too.

More protests (peaceful) would help. There's one a year, why not more?

[save ferris 101]

[quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Dec 31 2004, 01:08 PM'] 4000 innocents murdered a day isn't enough to go to war?


We went to war over less than 4000 not-so-innocent people murdered in one day.


It's just not convienant and so we don't do it.

It's uncomfortable so we don't do it. [/quote]
Nice way to generalize, it's amazing how you know why every single person in this country doesn't just go and up and start a civil war. Oh, it's because we're all cowards, and we don't like incovenience and being uncomfortable.


and to Don: After reading this whole thread, I cannot believe some of the things that you have said. You are starting to sound more and more like an Islamic suicide bomber. You think that's ok? I mean, theoretically, if we were Islamic, and Islam was the right religion, you would advocate suicide bombing an abortion clinic? Because that's what your arguments sound like to me

[Guest Aluigi]

if there's not gonna be a war, there should be RIOTS and protests DAILY (at least once a week). petititions, sure, but seriously politicians simply weasle out of it every time. we cannot allow it to go on 50 more years or 100 more years, we should sooner overthrow the government!

[Q the Ninja]

There shouldn't be riots yet, for the same reason.

I see no real reason to overthrow a legitimate government.

[voiciblanche]

Riots and protests daily.

I'm in.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Dec 31 2004, 03:27 PM'] if there's not gonna be a war, there should be RIOTS and protests DAILY (at least once a week). petititions, sure, but seriously politicians simply weasle out of it every time. we cannot allow it to go on 50 more years or 100 more years, we should sooner overthrow the government! [/quote]
Didn't St Paul mention obedience to rulers?

[Q the Ninja]

And Jesus?

[Kilroy the Ninja]

[quote name='save ferris 101' date='Dec 31 2004, 01:20 PM'] Nice way to generalize, it's amazing how you know why every single person in this country doesn't just go and up and start a civil war. Oh, it's because we're all cowards, and we don't like incovenience and being uncomfortable.

[/quote]
Wow. You're right. I even know exactly what you're thinking right now.

Get real.

Of course it's a generalization about why everyone won't go to war over this right now. Duh.

I'm discussing most everyone. Ever PC-Patti knows you have to be [i]general[/i] when discussing more than a few people at a time.


But I was very specific about the [i]analogy[/i] of going to war over less than 4000 murdered in a day.


And I don't believe the word Coward was anywhere in my post. That's [i]your[/i] word. Is that how you feel? That the general public is comprised of cowards?

Edited December 31, 2004 by Kilroy the Ninja

[Guest Aluigi]

only when the ruler has just laws. you don't obey the law that prevents you from stopping the Roman Emporer from throwing a Christian to the lions.

[Q the Ninja]

This law does not force you to do anything. Ergo, you just protest.

[cmotherofpirl]

You forget that Christians went willingly to the lions.

[Guest Aluigi]

babies aren't going willingly to the clinic though.

[Q the Ninja]

I know, and that's why we stand up for them. But we need to start out much simpler than violence.

[voiciblanche]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Dec 31 2004, 01:33 PM'] babies aren't going willingly to the clinic though. [/quote]
The Holy Innocents didn't die willingly, either, and they're held to be Martyrs.

[Guest Aluigi]

just to clarify: i have conceded that we shouldn't necessarily go to war. mere protest is not the way either because it has been done. we need to take action that will have more immediate results. being in it for the long haul is not an option, it must be changed ASAP. riots would be good, not kill anyone, but really get their attention and halt everyone's daily lives.

it would have been just if someone had stood up against herod to stop the slaughter of the holy innocents.

Edited December 31, 2004 by Aluigi

[Kilroy the Ninja]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Dec 31 2004, 01:33 PM'] babies aren't going willingly to the clinic though. [/quote]
amen to that.


Maybe we should do exit poll of the babies....



oh wait!!! We can't!

[Q the Ninja]

I think riots have the potential to cause too much evil..

[Q the Ninja]

[quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Dec 31 2004, 01:37 PM'] amen to that.


Maybe we should do exit poll of the babies....



oh wait!!! We can't! [/quote]
And this is why I've fought for over three years now, and can say that I've personally made a difference in the numbers, a positive difference.

[Q the Ninja]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Dec 31 2004, 01:36 PM'] it would have been just if someone had stood up against herod to stop the slaughter of the holy innocents. [/quote]
Yes, but what type of action would be just? It's hard to say.

[Theoketos]

[quote name='Q the Ninja' date='Dec 31 2004, 01:35 PM'] I know, and that's why we stand up for them. But we need to start out much simpler than violence. [/quote]
And this is the biggest point, we certainly are not at the last resort.