Declaring War on Abortion

[dairygirl4u2c]

Please expalin anything else you feel needs explained. thanks! :ph34r:

[dairygirl4u2c]

keep this one

[Q the Ninja]

By waging war there would be a material participation in evil. I don't think the war would keep it remote enough, ergo, we'd all be committing evil acts.

[bookwyrm]

Why are we still discussing this ridiculous topic? You can't just go around killing people who don't agree with you!

Yes, abortion is a terrible evil.

Yes, they are sinning by murdering innocent children.

Yes, it should and WILL be stopped. By the power of prayer. Then the victory will truly be God's. But we're not going to convince anyone by 'declaring physical war'!!!

If you support this idea of declaring physical war, then you might as well support embryonic stem cell research. The argument is the same: take a life to save a life. Am I the only one who finds this ironic?

I just don't understand where this mindset even comes from!!

[Q the Ninja]

No, not really...

[voiciblanche]

[quote name='bookwyrm' date='Dec 31 2004, 12:42 PM'] I just don't understand where this mindset even comes from!! [/quote]
Reminds me of Nazis. Maybe we should have rounded them up and killed them so that they couldn't run their concentration camps.

[Guest Aluigi]

God works through us. God worked through wars before. God killed people before and ordered people to kill other people.

It wouldn't be a participation in evil because it would be a GOOD. the abortionists have forfeited their right to life by being the cause of others' deaths. the innocent are being mass murdered

if i was a german in nazi germany and i was brave enough i'd form a resistance and try to liberate the concentration camps, wouldn't you?

it's the same freakin thing., only WORSE because the death toll is even bigger and it's been going on even longer.

[Guest Aluigi]

i wanna know how the heck pacifism infiltrated the same Church that fought the crusades!

[Q the Ninja]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Dec 31 2004, 12:49 PM'] It wouldn't be a participation in evil because it would be a GOOD.  the abortionists have forfeited their right to life by being the cause of others' deaths.  the innocent are being mass murdered [/quote]
Every act is a good in some way. Be careful.

Edited December 31, 2004 by Q the Ninja

[voiciblanche]

[quote]if i was a german in nazi germany and i was brave enough i'd form a resistance and try to liberate the concentration camps, wouldn't you?[/quote]

Resisting an evil and killing the person who commits it are different. We should try to stop abortion and abortionists, but is killing them the only way to do so?

[quote]i wanna know how the heck pacifism infiltrated the same Church that fought the crusades! [/quote]

Was the point of the Crusades to kill?

[Guest Aluigi]

not an intrinsically evil act. i don't know where you're coming from here.

i submit that if the war had a reasonable chance of sucess it would be justified. all other means having been exhasted of course, but 30 years of means have been exhasted, is there anything new? there's been protests and prayers and marches for 30 years.

[Guest Aluigi]

no, and neither would the point of this war be.

[Q the Ninja]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Dec 31 2004, 12:59 PM'] not an intrinsically evil act. i don't know where you're coming from here. [/quote]
I'm coming from Moral Theology as supported by Janet Smith.

[quote]i submit that if the war had a reasonable chance of sucess it would be justified.  all other means having been exhasted of course, but 30 years of means have been exhasted, is there anything new?  there's been protests and prayers and marches for 30 years.[/quote]

Only time has been exhausted. Our energy definately has not.

[Q the Ninja]

[quote name='voiciblanche' date='Dec 31 2004, 12:57 PM'] Resisting an evil and killing the person who commits it are different. We should try to stop abortion and abortionists, but is killing them the only way to do so?

Was the point of the Crusades to kill? [/quote]
No to both of those actually.

[voiciblanche]

[quote name='Q the Ninja' date='Dec 31 2004, 01:01 PM'] No to both of those actually. [/quote]
[quote]no, and neither would the point of this war be. [/quote]



Then why is there all this discussion of killing abortionists?

[Guest Aluigi]

there's alot of discussion about declaring war on abortion. the abortionists would clearly be the enemies in this war and they do deserve death, but that's not what it's about. it's about stopping the murder.

[Q the Ninja]

Can we really only say they deserve death unless we judge culpability?

Edited December 31, 2004 by Q the Ninja

[voiciblanche]

Now, that's better.

So, what makes this a "physical war"? Are we gonna kill people who object?

[Guest Aluigi]

i presume no one's culpability one way or the other, simply state the objective facts. these murderers deserve death. if they are inculpable of it, let them repent in the face of my sword.

(though i'm not actually going out to fight them, lol i just thought that'd be a cool line)

[Q the Ninja]

LoL. I'll fight you, I have a sword.

To claim someone deserves death really is to judge their culpability...

You can judge what they've done, but not necessarily what they deserve.

Edited December 31, 2004 by Q the Ninja