Dreamweaver Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 Maybe the couple sent their children to a Catholic school because the condition of public schools in their area are substandard? Maybe they're protestants and there are no protestant-ran schools in the area, so they sent them to a Catholic school? There are many things that we don't know about the children or the couple. Although it seems strange that the couple would send their children to a school which would denounce their relationship, I don't think it would be right for the school to kick the children out. Children shouldn't be judged on the sins of their parents, and I agree with the person who stated that the school may be the only place they may learn the Truth.
Philippe Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 AHHH THATS MY DIOCESE WE DONT NEED ANY MORE DRAMA!
cmotherofpirl Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Jan 4 2005, 01:58 AM'] Perhaps, they shouldn't send their children to any school, and perhaps they shouldn't go to mass, or pray...Lord knows I find it more than a little scandalous when I realize that the Dignity folk pray to the same God I do...and seperate restrooms, yes, yes....must have those...maybe it would be simpler if homosexuals were givn a state...Idaho, perhaps... [/quote] I would not pay thousands of dollars a year for Catholic school if the environment would be the same as your local public school. I don't want my kids going to school with heather has two mommies or Todd has two daddies. I don't want them to think that is normal because it isn't. My kids would not be allowed to play with them or visit their house for sleepovers. My kids were never allowed to be with kids whose mom had a different "friend"l living there or who mom or dad was a drunk either. Sorry, but it is my job to choose the environment for my kids to grow up in. And if I am paying out the nose for their education, it will be an environment I agree with and parents who has the same value system I have.
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 I don't think the issue is whether or not the parents should send their kids to the school, but whether or not the school should accept these children. I say they should. Plus, the school should teach these kids, just like the rest of the kids, that homosexuality is immoral. If the parents get upset, they can pull the kid out of school, but that will be their choice and not the school's.
spathariossa Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 4 2005, 07:43 AM'] I would not pay thousands of dollars a year for Catholic school if the environment would be the same as your local public school. I don't want my kids going to school with heather has two mommies or Todd has two daddies. I don't want them to think that is normal because it isn't. My kids would not be allowed to play with them or visit their house for sleepovers. My kids were never allowed to be with kids whose mom had a different "friend"l living there or who mom or dad was a drunk either. Sorry, but it is my job to choose the environment for my kids to grow up in. And if I am paying out the nose for their education, it will be an environment I agree with and parents who has the same value system I have. [/quote] Now see, I can almost understand this, but it falls just short of compassionate in my opinion. Those children did not pick who adopted them. Children are helpless in these matters. We're talking about kindergarteners after all. They didn't choose for any of this to happen. They shouldn't be ostracized by adults for what other adults have done - it isn't fair. I don't generally believe in fairness but let's face facts; kids at age five aren't going to care who Heather's parents are. They're just going to care if she's nice and shares her blue crayon. But for an adult then to come into that world and say "Heather is a pariah because I disagree with the parents she didn't choose," is really really cruel. My kids would be allowed to play with Heather. But I guess that's why I can't have children.
littleflower+JMJ Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 4 2005, 07:43 AM'] I would not pay thousands of dollars a year for Catholic school if the environment would be the same as your local public school. I don't want my kids going to school with heather has two mommies or Todd has two daddies. I don't want them to think that is normal because it isn't. My kids would not be allowed to play with them or visit their house for sleepovers. My kids were never allowed to be with kids whose mom had a different "friend"l living there or who mom or dad was a drunk either. Sorry, but it is my job to choose the environment for my kids to grow up in. And if I am paying out the nose for their education, it will be an environment I agree with and parents who has the same value system I have. [/quote] very true.....i agree
cmotherofpirl Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 4 2005, 12:45 PM'] Now see, I can almost understand this, but it falls just short of compassionate in my opinion. Those children did not pick who adopted them. Children are helpless in these matters. We're talking about kindergarteners after all. They didn't choose for any of this to happen. They shouldn't be ostracized by adults for what other adults have done - it isn't fair. I don't generally believe in fairness but let's face facts; kids at age five aren't going to care who Heather's parents are. They're just going to care if she's nice and shares her blue crayon. But for an adult then to come into that world and say "Heather is a pariah because I disagree with the parents she didn't choose," is really really cruel. My kids would be allowed to play with Heather. But I guess that's why I can't have children. [/quote] That would be fine if Heather stayed five years old forever. But Heather will be a teenager eventually. Do you want to sit in class with her when the teacher explains two men or two women living together do not constitute a marriage, and that particular sin sends you to hell? [along with many other sins, but most other sins do not occur in public.] I feel sorry for the kids, but I have to put the welfare of MY children first, because God put me in charge of them. It is not the childs fault, and you certainly NEVER treat any child badly. But why should the parents of the other kids have to explain why there will be no sleepovers with that child, or playdates? Why would any parent put other parents in that position? Are they thinking of the child at all or pushing an agenda using their own children?
homeschoolmom Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 There are some things I just really don't want to have to explain to my kindergartener yet. It's not a matter of "overprotecting" them, it's just common sense. Obviously adult issues need to be discussed and explained... but not to young children.
spathariossa Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 (edited) [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jan 4 2005, 12:46 PM'] There are some things I just really don't want to have to explain to my kindergartener yet. It's not a matter of "overprotecting" them, it's just common sense. Obviously adult issues need to be discussed and explained... but not to young children. [/quote] No, I agree with that completely. And I'm kinda iffy on the subject of homosexuals adopting children because while I have nothing against them, and think they can represent a stable home environment, this sort of thing will always happen. No parent wants to have to explain to a kindergartener about homosexuality. In fact, kids should be allowed to be kids. But parents will guard their children by not allowing them to associate with the children adopted by homosexual couples. So no matter what the home life is like, it is abusive to these children who have been adopted. My issue then is what to do with the system we have in place where children are in fact adopted by homosexual couples. I'd like to think there is a better answer than just cutting these children off from all contact with other children their age. And even if some parents don't care enough about who their children associate with, some will. And that will be enough so that the child will feel that something is wrong. And having been a child, I know they tend to internalize things an awful lot. So we'll end up with a bunch of kids wondering what they did wrong to deserve not having any friends. And that really smells of elderberries. Edited January 5, 2005 by spathariossa
hyperdulia again Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 Cmom, hurtful, offesive things have been said on this site before, but that is simply the most ignorant thing I've ever read. I'm ashamed for you. Done speaking to you for a while. God Bless
spathariossa Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 4 2005, 12:09 PM'] That would be fine if Heather stayed five years old forever. But Heather will be a teenager eventually. Do you want to sit in class with her when the teacher explains two men or two women living together do not constitute a marriage, and that particular sin sends you to hell? [along with many other sins, but most other sins do not occur in public.] I feel sorry for the kids, but I have to put the welfare of MY children first, because God put me in charge of them. It is not the childs fault, and you certainly NEVER treat any child badly. But why should the parents of the other kids have to explain why there will be no sleepovers with that child, or playdates? Why would any parent put other parents in that position? Are they thinking of the child at all or pushing an agenda using their own children? [/quote] Well I can maybe understand no sleepovers but if you have to explain why they can't play with a little girl then that's YOUR fault. And you deserve to have to explain it. Why? Because you clearly don't feel much compassion for the little girl and show even less understanding for the situation if you think she'll poison your children with her very presence.
cmotherofpirl Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 (edited) You don't get it. I am doing nothing wrong. The people who are wrong are the ones putting me in that position in the first place. They are forcing the issue, not me. They are the ones saying "accept my child and me and my behavior." Well I'm not going to. Hyper I am not saying anything new. I will never be willing to have other people try to get me to accept their sinful "lifestyle" and then tell me I am not compassionate for being pissed about the attempt. That is BS. This is the same as asking me to expose my children to homes where the father is a drunk or the mother has numerous boyfriends. I don't hear any of you complaining about protecting my children from them. Double standards anyone? Parents forcing children into situations like this to promote their agenda are committing child abuse. Nobody would say a word if they were in public school. But no, stick them in catholic school, where you know it will cause a ruckus. Then tell us we are not compassionate for being pissed. Please! I am not going top apologize for having standards~! Edited January 5, 2005 by cmotherofpirl
homeschoolmom Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 5 2005, 07:35 AM'] This is the same as asking me to expose my children to homes where the father is a drunk or the mother has numerous boyfriends. I don't hear any of you complaining about protecting my children from them. Double standards anyone? [/quote] This is what I would have said had I not been distracted from writing coherantly. (HSBaby loves to kick the keyboard).
spathariossa Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 I'm not advising anybody sending their kids over to anyone's house or in any way have any direct contact with the parents. But if you tell your kids they aren't allowed to play with the children whose parents are sinning or leading an immoral lifestyle, then you're being very unfair to the children who are completely innocent of wrongdoing. In fact, considering this specific case is about kindergarteners, who haven't reached the age of culpability, there is no way they could possibly be to blame for any sins, much less those of their parents.
cmotherofpirl Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 5 2005, 03:00 PM'] I'm not advising anybody sending their kids over to anyone's house or in any way have any direct contact with the parents. But if you tell your kids they aren't allowed to play with the children whose parents are sinning or leading an immoral lifestyle, then you're being very unfair to the children who are completely innocent of wrongdoing. In fact, considering this specific case is about kindergarteners, who haven't reached the age of culpability, there is no way they could possibly be to blame for any sins, much less those of their parents. [/quote] It is my job as a parent to decide what my children do and who they do it with. Life does have consequences. And just like my children didn't go and play with kids whose parents were drunk or getting high, they didn't spend time with a child who has two daddies or two mommies. Just like priests decide that they won't baptise kids whos parents aren't serious about being Catholic. My house, my kids, my rules. I am the one who has to answer to God for how they were brought up.
spathariossa Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 5 2005, 01:21 PM'] It is my job as a parent to decide what my children do and who they do it with. Life does have consequences. And just like my children didn't go and play with kids whose parents were drunk or getting high, they didn't spend time with a child who has two daddies or two mommies. Just like priests decide that they won't baptise kids whos parents aren't serious about being Catholic. My house, my kids, my rules. I am the one who has to answer to God for how they were brought up. [/quote] I didn't say you didn't have the right to do it. I'm just pointing out that it is uncompassionate, mean-spirited, and a trifle ridiculous. But you certainly have the right to send your children to whatever school you want, or home school them. And you have the right to forbid them from playing with other children who are probably in desperate need of decent and christian children to influence them.
Balthazor Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 Children will inevitably be influenced by the world. You can try to shelter them it does not always work though and you can give them honest and thoughtout answers as to what is right and wrong and what we believe. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to afford homeschooling or a private Catholic School.
Balthazor Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 As for letting children play at other people's homes. That is a different issue, we are talking about school now, not allowing children to play at a other people's homes.
cmotherofpirl Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 ah - let me clarify something, we were talking kindergarteners correct.? At that age they have to play at someones house. They would be able to come to my house and play, but my kids couldn't go there. My house has had an open door policy for over 20 years. But only works one way. There were many familes my kids weren't allowed to go. As many Pmers know I am already have one extra kid living in my house, and have had two others living here for various amounts of time. The only kids I have refused living space to were two actively homosexual boys who we reconciled to their families. They still come to visit and call me mom.
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