Dreamweaver Posted January 8, 2005 Posted January 8, 2005 While doing a search on holy water, I stumbled across an online witchcraft supply shop that sold holy water blessed by Catholic priests for use of cleansing and blessing items. It stated that the supplier donates some money to the priests' churches. Now, would the holy water have any use, even if the user didn't know that holy water can't be sold and had faith that it would work (even if they're not Christian?) What if a witch were to deliberately summon a demon and protect themselves using the holy water? Or what if a "white" witch used holy ater to protect themselves against "black" magic curses placed against her? What ever happened to Christ Zewe, did he get banned again? Also, it seems that if anyone is looking to get rich, they should open a witchcraft shop. Everything is ridiculously overpriced. Why would anyone spend that much stuff on carp?
Lil Red Posted January 8, 2005 Posted January 8, 2005 i'm pretty sure that once you sell something that is blessed, it loses it's blessing...my friend told me this because i bought a rosary from her that she had made and i asked her if it had been blessed, and she told me that you can't do that....
Quietfire Posted January 8, 2005 Posted January 8, 2005 Well, that rules out EVERY blessed item on Ebay!
Kilroy the Ninja Posted January 8, 2005 Posted January 8, 2005 How could something sold lose it's blessing? Once something is blessed it's blessed. Is there an official Church teaching on this? It seems to me that just because humans mistreat a blessed item, the item wouldn't be any less blessed. And to answer the question regarding witches and holy water, yes, they truly believe it to be Holy. It's not that most of your pagans don't believe in God, it's that they also believe in a goddess. And most are worshipping the goddess predominately now (now being equivalent to basically modernity) because they believe that she has been neglected since just before the dawn of Christianity. So to them the water is Holy because it has been blessed in God's name. And to them, it has power. Because it does have power. It will protect them from demons and devils. Just as it will protect us. And simply because someone sold it, it does not lose that power. Chris Zewe did get banned again. And yeah, magick shops are funny places. Stuff there costs such an exorbitant amount of money because modern witches don't have time to perform specific rituals during the various phases of the moon and *supposedly* much of the stuff in those shops has been ritualized already or "correctly" collected and that sort of thing. Also, people pay a premium for stuff they just can't go pick up at the Stop N Go on the corner. Yeah, there's money to be made there if it weren't so evil.
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 [quote name='Lil Red' date='Jan 8 2005, 02:51 PM'] i'm pretty sure that once you sell something that is blessed, it loses it's blessing...my friend told me this because i bought a rosary from her that she had made and i asked her if it had been blessed, and she told me that you can't do that.... [/quote] Its sinful (simony) to sell blessed articles, but I don't *think* it loses its blessing. On that note, I did try looking this up and it found something that said: [quote]Q. Does a blessed object lose its blessing upon being sold? A. Yes (canon 924). A religious articles store may not put out blessed medals, scapulars, or rosaries. A blessed rosary, crucifix, or consecrated chalice or church loses its status upon being offered for public sale. An offering for a Mass to be said (stipend) is not simony since it is not the purchase of the Mass, but only a gift to the celebrant for his work of offering it.[/quote] It was off an SSPX website, though, so depending in the website's author's leanings.... I dunno if its actually true or not. I tried looking up Canon 924 on the Vatican website and the following was listed: [quote]Can. 924 §1. The most holy eucharistic sacrifice must be offered with bread and with wine in which a little water must be mixed. §2. The bread must be only wheat and recently made so that there is no danger of spoiling. §3. The wine must be natural from the fruit of the vine and not spoiled.[/quote] Not exactly talkin' about simony.... Maybe someone else can shed some more light... I'm inclined to agree with Kilroy.
cathqat Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 (edited) [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Jan 8 2005, 08:45 PM'] I tried looking up Canon 924 on the Vatican website and.... Not exactly talkin' about simony. [/quote] The Vatican website presents the 1983 Code of Canon Law, [url="http://www.sspx.org/SSPX_FAQs/q8_canonlaw.htm"]which the SSPX does not accept[/url]. The SSPX uses the older code of 1917. The canon numbers, as well as the canons themselves, are different. In the current Code, see canon 1190. Edited January 9, 2005 by cathqat
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 (edited) Ah, that figures. lol I forgot about that. In any case, canon 1190 doesn't seem to be saying that blessed articles lose their blessing, either, just that its forbidden to sell them. [quote]Can. 1190 §1. It is absolutely forbidden to sell sacred relics. §2. Relics of great significance and other relics honored with great reverence by the people cannot be alienated validly in any manner or transferred permanently without the permission of the Apostolic See. §3. The prescript of §2 is valid also for images which are honored in some church with great reverence by the people.[/quote] Edited January 9, 2005 by IcePrincessKRS
crusader1234 Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 I'd think its simony - the 'Mother House' in Winnipeg sells some items such as rosaries and scapulars but you need to take them to a priest to get them blessed. I'm sure that if a Catholic institution doesn't do it for a reason, then that reason applies to witches.
crusader1234 Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 I checked some online Catholic store and it noted that all proceeds from blessed items went to charities as profiting from blessings is prohibited by Catholic law.
Dreamweaver Posted January 9, 2005 Author Posted January 9, 2005 Sometimes stores get by with "selling" blessed objects or relics by having a "donation" or perhaps by offering the blessing as a gift. I've came across ebay auctions of relics that sell the theca but offer the relic as a gift. "No, you can keep the relic, I'm only bidding on the theca, its quite beautiful by itself." When I bought some vintage rosaries from antique stores and thrift stores, I had a priest bless them (not really even knowing that the blessing could be lost by the reselling of them). He also did a basic exorcism of them, which is a great idea for preowned religious articles which you have no idea what their past is. Does anyone have any thoughts on how holy water (whether is was bought or obtained from a church) would protect a witch? What if they viewed it as a protective talisman of sorts (not realizing that sacramentals get their power through faith). Would God grant them some of the blessings if they used it with faith, for instance, protecting themselves from demonic attacks cast by another witch (or results of their own spells)?
cathqat Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 [quote name='Dreamweaver' date='Jan 9 2005, 01:50 AM']Does anyone have any thoughts on how holy water (whether is was bought or obtained from a church)[/quote] Many churches have holy water dispensers in the narthex, or large pools for baptisms, that allow people to fill their own bottles to take home. I doubt very much that these "witches" paid anything for the water they're selling to others. Their only cost would be the bottle they sell it in. It's a brilliant but sick way to turn a profit. :rude:
Guest catholick Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 i don't think it loses it's blessing because there are catholic stores that sell holy water to put in founts in your house
Ianny01 Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 Perhaps, some of these questions should be answered by ministries that specialize in deliverance and spiritual warfare. Sincerely, Ianny01
Phatmasser777 Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 [quote name='Dreamweaver' date='Jan 8 2005, 01:42 PM'] While doing a search on holy water, I stumbled across an online witchcraft supply shop that sold holy water blessed by Catholic priests for use of cleansing and blessing items. It stated that the supplier donates some money to the priests' churches. Now, would the holy water have any use, even if the user didn't know that holy water can't be sold and had faith that it would work (even if they're not Christian?) What if a witch were to deliberately summon a demon and protect themselves using the holy water? Or what if a "white" witch used holy ater to protect themselves against "black" magic curses placed against her? What ever happened to Christ Zewe, did he get banned again? Also, it seems that if anyone is looking to get rich, they should open a witchcraft shop. Everything is ridiculously overpriced. Why would anyone spend that much stuff on carp? [/quote] I find it funny that you are complaining about them selling it to witches or non-catholics, yet have no quams about them actually SELLING the item itself, when did a gift of God become a retail priced sell-off??
StColette Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 From what I would understand it's not the holy water itself that a person is being charged for but rather the bottle in which the holy water is being sold in.
StColette Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 Well, considering I bought one of the bottles a long time ago and have since had to have it refilled with Holy Water and my Priest didn't charge me for the holy water. It makes since then that the cost was for the bottle rather than the holy water within the bottle. As since the empty bottles and the filled bottles in our Church's gift shop cost the same amount of money.
Phatmasser777 Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 The owner isnt getting charged but you are. 100% Profit on HW.
HomeTeamFamily Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 we sell empty holy water bottles in our bookstore.....it is up to the person buying it to get a source of free holy water.....i dont understand how you are concluding that we are charging for the holy water
crusader1234 Posted January 9, 2005 Posted January 9, 2005 You know, Phatmasser777, I really have no idea what you are talking about.
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