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[quote name='randy_the_clown' date='Feb 2 2005, 11:56 AM']

HOWEVER... I don't find myself to be lumped with the "Bring back Chant!" crowd because, quite frankly... it is nice, but I don't think it brings people in.  If we are meant to evangelize, then modern music must be made sacred because it has a place in the hearts of the people.  Ideally, music wouldn't matter, but if good music brings you to God, then bad music... [/quote]
That explains why every traditional chapel I have been to is overflowing with young families and teens. That explains why the traditional orders are overflowing and actually are turning vocations away fore lack of space. That explains the ever increasing number of Traditonal parishes popping up all over the world (that's not to mention all the bishops who refuse to "acknowledge the rightful aspirations of the faithful who are attached to" traditional liturgical practices, like the bishop of Arlington). The overwealming success must be due to the fact that traditional liturgical practices just don't bring people in?

edit: By the way, I am not simply referring to Traditionalist parishes etc. (in the sense of offereing the Tridentine Mass) but even those Novus Ordo parishes and orders (Assumption Grotto, Christendom College, St. John Cantius, and even phatmass) that employ traditional liturgical practices.

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cmotherofpirl
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I still like [i]Here I am Lord [/i]:D

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[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Feb 2 2005, 05:42 PM'] I still like [i]Here I am Lord [/i]:D [/quote]
me too... and City of God

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Some of you people are going to have a heart attack when I tell you that I've heard "Mass of Creation" at the Opus Dei parish in Chicago!

If the problem is overuse or use at inappropriate times, that's one thing, but let's not knock it based on that alone, OK? I personally think "Mass of Creation" to be majestic.

And the crack about beacuse the music company being in Oregon making it suspect is inappropriate. Cardinal George served as Archbishop of Portland, Oregon; are you going to start questioning his orthodoxy as well???

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[quote name='thedude' date='Feb 2 2005, 05:33 PM'] Their songs are at Mass every Sunday here. I hate them. Hate is a strong word. [/quote]
Hate doesn't even come close to describing my opinion of them. I react the same to those songs as someone on anabuse would react to drinking alcohol.

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Even though I don't particularly like said composers, I think it's unfair to call them heretics, "the unholy triad," etc... Rome has had plenty of time to declare their music irreverant, and thus far nothing has been officially said about it.

As for the website, I think it's a ridiculous exaggeration.

-Mark

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It's not unfair at all. Dan Shutte lives in San Francisco with his boyfriend. How is that not unholy.

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[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Feb 2 2005, 04:57 PM'] It's not unfair at all. Dan Shutte lives in San Francisco with his boyfriend. How is that not unholy. [/quote]
But does Haugen live in SF with a sodomy parrtner?

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Yeah, I'm well aware of the openly pro-Gay movement which Dan Shutte is trying to lead, and it is truly upsetting. :unsure:

Anyway, I was referring more to Haas and Haugen, the focus of the website.

-Mark

Thomas Michael
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I acknowledge that most Catholics out there love "Mass of Creation", they find it majestic, elegaic, and so on. The problem is in some areas, those who DON'T like it may find it really hard to locate a church that DOESN'T use it. I applaud those churches who use different settings at the different Mass times, giving their congregation a choice (i.e. "Mass of the Angels & Saints" at 8:00, "Creation" at 10:00 and "Mass of Light" at Noon). And I also applaud those music directors who dare to try new hymns, not sticking to the same old Top 40 Easy Listening selections.

You should check out this one guy's website, [url="http://www.widos.info"]http://www.widos.info[/url] ... He wanders all over Long Island, attending and reviewing the Masses at the different Catholic churches. And when it comes time for the Eucharistic Prayer, guess what's used in the majority of those Masses...

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The website is very funny, and quite true. Look at some of the members:

Matt Abbott
Jimmy Akin
Fr. Joseph Horn O.Praem
Philip Lawler
Fr. Ethan McCarthy
Fr. Jeffery Keyes C.PP.S.
I. Shawn McElhinney
Fr. Robert Skeris
Pete Vere J.C.L.

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[quote name='Norseman82' date='Feb 2 2005, 06:03 PM'] But does Haugen live in SF with a sodomy parrtner? [/quote]
If I had to guess based on his music, ....well, never mind.

cmotherofpirl
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[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Feb 2 2005, 06:42 PM'] I still like [i]Here I am Lord [/i]:D [/quote]
However...
some of the stuff in that hymnal is only fit for 1st graders, and certainly not appopriate for anybody over 10. And I do question a lot of the theology implied in the lyrics.

Some of it I simply refuse to sing. I also hate when they try to update the words to be politically correct. I sing them the old way and look real innocent if caught. :D

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argent_paladin
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My 2 cents:

First, how can you say that something is bad just because it is common or used every sunday? Before Vatican II, it was common for the same mass setting to be used very frequently (even today at many traditional parishes, there are only a few settings). Also, *every* parish would have had a common set of hymns and settings. You guys can't be against uniformity in the liturgy, can you?

I am against it for the same reason that 99% of church musicians and choirmembers are against it: it is simplistic, unchallenging music. There is no comparision. Ask a good choir who they would rather sing: Palestrina or Haugen. No contest.
But the odd thing is, you would think if it was simple, then the congregation could sing it, but that is often not the case because they do things like change the rhythms, squeeze in more words than can fit on a line, etc.

Finally, the texts are usually banal and the theology vague and watery.

I think though, the dislike for this type of music is visceral. It stirs a whole different set of emotions. Those who want a festive, smiley atmosphere, where the procession all but twirls down the aisle and where the congregation sometimes spontaneously claps to the rhythm, will like the music. Those who think that the worship of God requires a more stately, reverent sense, will hate it.

Give me Missa Orbis Factor any day of the week and twice on Sunday! :D

argent_paladin
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The Real Story behind Oregon Catholic Press (From Crisis Magazine):

The Hidden Hand Behind Bad Catholic Music
By J.A. Tucker

Well, if your missalettes are like those issued in more than half of American parishes, they're copyrighted by the Oregon Catholic Press (OCP)-the leading Catholic purveyor of bad music in the United States. Four times a year, it prints and distributes 4.3 million copies of the seemingly unobjectionable booklets (which OCP doesn't call missalettes).

But that's just the beginning of its massive product line, where each item is integrated perfectly with the others to make liturgical planning quick and easy. To instruct and guide parish musicians and liturgy teams, the OCP prints hymnals, choral scores, children's song books, Mass settings, liturgy magazines (with detailed instructions that are slavishly followed by parishes around the country), and CDs for planning liturgies and previewing the newest music.

This collection of products, however, does not include a hymnal-or anything else-designed to appeal to traditional sensibilities (its Heritage Hymnal is deceptively misnamed). The OCP's experts never tire of promoting the new, rewriting the old, and inviting you to join them in their quest to "sing a new church into being" (as one of their hit songs urges). The one kind of "new" that the OCP systematically avoids is the new vogue of traditional music that has proved so appealing to young Catholics.

The bread and butter of the OCP are the 10,000 music copyrights it owns. It employs a staff of 150, runs year-round liturgy workshops all over the United States, sponsors affiliates in England and Australia, and keeps songwriters all over the English-speaking world on its payroll. In fact, it's the preferred institutional home of those now-aging "St. Louis Jesuits" who swept out the old in 1969 and, by the mid-1970s, had parishes across the country clapping and strumming and tapping to the beat.

The OCP also sails under the flags of companies it has acquired, established, or represented along the way: New Dawn Music, Pastoral Press, North American Liturgy Resources, Trinitas, TEAM Publications, White Dove Productions, and Cooperative Ministries. Every time it purchases-or assumes the distribution of-another publisher, its assets and influence grow.

Power Without Authority

But while the OCP dictates the liturgies of most U.S. parishes, it has no ecclesiastical authority. It's a large nonprofit corporation-a publishing wing of the Diocese of Portland-and nothing else. It has never been empowered by the U.S. bishops, much less Rome, to oversee music or liturgy in American parishes.
The OCP's power over Catholic liturgy is derived entirely from its copyrights, phenomenal sales, and marketing genius. Nonetheless, it wields the decisive power in determining the musical culture of most public Masses in the United States.

And once a parish dips into the product line of the OCP, it is very difficult to avoid full immersion. So complete and integrated is their program that it actually reconstructs the sense that the liturgy team has about what Catholicism is supposed to feel and sound like.

But few of those subject to the power of the OCP understand that it's the reason why Catholic liturgy so often seems like something else entirely. For example, pastors who try to control the problem by getting a grip on their liturgies quite often sense that they're dealing with an amorphous power without a name or face. That's because very few bother to examine the lay-directed materials that are shaping the liturgies. Too many priests are willing to leave music to the musicians, fearing that they lack the competence to intervene.

Meanwhile, the nature of the OCP is completely unknown to most laypeople. Many Catholics shudder, for example, when they hear the words Glory & Praise, the prototypical assortment of musical candy that was already stale about 15 years ago but which mysteriously continues to be repackaged and rechewed in parish after parish. "Here I am, Lord," "Be Not Afraid," "City of God," "One Bread, One Body," "Celtic Alleuia," and (wait for it) "On Eagle's Wings"-these all come courtesy of the OCP.

But at the publisher itself, this moldy repertoire is not an embarrassment. On the contrary, the publisher brags that Glory & Praise, whose copyright it acquired in 1994, continues to be the best-selling Catholic hymnal of all time. And what about those prayers of the faithful that seem far more politically than doctrinally correct? They're probably from the OCP, too. A new edition of its Prayer of the Faithful is printed every year. (In what is surely great news for the unrepentant, the OCP brags that the volume helpfully includes "creative alternatives to the Penitential Rite.")

Hijacking of Catholic Truth

It wasn't always like this. Before 1980, the OCP was called the Oregon Catholic Truth Society. It was founded in 1922 in response to a compulsory school-education law that forced Catholics to attend public schools. Archbishop Alexander Christie got together with his priests to found the society. Its aim: to fight bigotry and stand up for truth and Catholic rights.

In 1934, the Oregon Catholic Truth Society released a missal called My Sunday Missal. It was good-looking, inexpensive, and easy to use. It became the most popular missal ever (you can still run across it in used bookstores).

But the rest of the story is as familiar as it is troubling. Sometime in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the Oregon Catholic Truth Society began to lose its moorings. Catholic truth had to make room for the Age of Aquarius.

Thus, in the course of a single decade, a once-reliable representative of Catholic teaching became reliably unreliable. Money given to the organization to promote truth was now being used to advance a revolutionary approach to Catholic life, one that repudiated traditional forms of the faith. The only thing that did not change was the breadth of its influence: Under the new dispensation, it was still a powerhouse of Catholic publishing.

De Profundis

If you've been keeping up with the OCP's latest offerings, you know that the songs from the mid-1970s don't begin to plumb the depths. The newest OCP hymnals are jam-packed with music from the 1980s and 1990s, with styles meant to reflect the popular music trends of the time. (Actually, they're about five years behind the times.)

They sail under different names (Music Issue, Journeysongs, Heritage Hymnal, Glory & Praise), but the content is similar in all of them: an eclectic, hit-and-miss bag with an emphasis on new popular styles massaged for liturgical use. (Worst choice: Spirit & Song, which "encourages the youth and young adults of today to praise God in their own style.")

Some of the newer songs sound like variations on the musical themes you hear at the beginning of TV sitcoms. Some sound like Broadway-style love songs. Others have a vague Hawaiian, calypso, or blues feel. You never know what's going to pop up next.

Not all of it is terrible. In fact, there are real toe-tappers among the songs. The question to ask, however, is whether it's right for liturgy. The answer from the Church has been the same from the second century to the present day: The Mass requires special music, which is different from secular music and popular religious music. It must have its own unique voice-one that works, like the liturgy itself, to bring together time and eternity. It's a style perfectly embodied in chant, polyphony, and traditional hymnody.

The OCP revels in its ability to conflate these categories; indeed, that's the sum total of its purpose and effect. And judging from its newest new line of songs and CDs-"we just couldn't wait until our next General Catalog to tell you about it"-your parish can look forward to a variety of ska and reggae songs adapted for congregational purposes.

How It Hooks You

But let's go back to that innocent, floppy missalette. The OCP claims it has many advantages. Missalettes "make it easy for you to introduce the latest music to your parish, and changes in Church rituals are easy to implement." Thus the missalette is "always up-to-date."

It's also quite a bargain. If you buy more than 50 subscriptions to the quarterly missalette, you receive other goodies bundled inside. You'll get a Music Issue (the main OCP hymnal) to supplement the thin selection in the missalette. In addition, you'll receive a keyboard accompaniment book, a guitar book, the Choral Praise Comprehensive, a handy service binder, two annual copies of Respond & Acclaim for the psalm and the gospel acclamation, biannual copies of Prayer of the Faithful, two subscriptions to Today's Liturgy (which tells liturgy teams what to sing and say, when and how), and one master index. And the more you buy, the more you get.

Why would you want all this stuff? Well, if you're in parish music, you'll quickly discover that the missalette has too few hymns to cover the whole season. The Music Issue seems like an economical purchase. But there's something odd about the OCP's most popular music book: There's no scriptural index. How do you know what hymns fit with what gospel reading?

No problem. Just buy a copy of Today's Liturgy, which spells it all out for you. If you want a broader selection of possible hymns, you can also order the OCP's LitPlan software or its monthly Choral Resources, which is visually more complicated than the Federal Register (but still contains no scriptural index).

If you follow the free liturgical planner closely, you'll notice you can purchase a variety of choral arrangements and special new music (copyright OCP) that match perfectly with the response, the hymnal, and the missalette (copyright OCP), which is itself integrated with the prayers of the faithful (copyright OCP) and the gospel (not yet OCP copyright). And so it goes, until you follow the complete OCP plan for each Mass, from the first "Good morning, Father!" to the last "Go in peace to love and serve others!" By making each element dependent on the next, the OCP has ensured a steady-if trapped-clientele.

Musical Gnosticism

But why should the liturgy team go along with this program? The average parish musical team is made up of nonprofessionals. Its poorly paid members are untrained in music history; they have no particular craving for chant or polyphony, which often seems quite remote to them. Most musicians in average Catholic parishes would have no idea how to plug into the rite an extended musical setting from, say, the high Renaissance, even if they had the desire to do so.

The OCP understands this point better than most publishers. In an interview, Michael Prendergast, editor of Today's Liturgy, pointed again and again to the limited resources of typical parishes. The OCP sees serving such needs as a core part of its publishing strategy; its materials keep reminding us that we don't need to know Church music to get involved.

Lack of familiarity with the Church's musical tradition would not be a grave problem if there were a staple of standard hymns and Mass settings to fall back on. But it has been at least 30 years since such a setting was available in most parishes. The average parish musician wants to use his talents to serve the parish in whatever way possible, but he's at a complete loss as to how to do it without outside guidance. The OCP fills that vacuum.

Under its tutelage, you can aspire to be a real liturgical expert, which means you have attended a few workshops run by OCP-connected guitarists and songwriters (who explain that your job as a musician is to whip people into a musical frenzy: loud microphones, drum tracks, over-the-top enthusiasm when announcing the latest hymn). These "experts" love the OCP's material because it allows them to keep up the pretense that they have some special knowledge about what hymns should be used for what occasions and how the Mass ought to proceed.

Real Catholic musicians who have worked with the OCP material tell horror stories of incredible liturgical malpractice. The music arrangements are often muddled and busy, making it all but impossible for regular parishioners to sing. This is especially true of arrangements for traditional songs, where popular chords give old hymns a gauzy cast that reminds you of the 1970s group Chicago.

The liturgical planning guides are a ghastly embarrassment. Two years ago, for example, the liturgical planner recommended "Seek Ye First" for the first Sunday in Lent ("Al-le-lu-, Al-le-lu-yah"). In numerous slots during the liturgy, OCP offers no alternative to debuting its new tunes. When traditional hymns are offered, they're often drawn from the Protestant tradition, or else the words are changed in odd ways (see, for example, its strange version of "Ubi Caritas"). The liturgical instructions are equally pathetic. On July 8 this year, the liturgical columnist passes on this profound summary of the gospel of the day: "Live and let live."

The Middle Way?

Nevertheless, the OCP seems to have solved a major liturgical rift affecting today's local churches. Just as every parish used to have a low-Mass crowd and a high-Mass crowd, there are now two factions in parishes:

One wants more "contemporary" music of the sort seen in Life-Teen Masses-loud, rhythmic, and rockish. Another wants traditional music and sensibly asks whatever happened to the hymns of the old days. These two groups are forever at loggerheads and have been so for decades. In fact, most pastors are so sick of the dispute that they'll do anything to avoid talking about music at Mass.

This is where OCP steps in and serves as the peacekeeping moderate. After all, it's an established music publisher, and thanks to the missalette, it doesn't appear (at first) to be particularly partisan. Its literature contains enough traditional material to allow the liturgical team to claim they're sensitive to the needs of both the contemporary and traditional factions. Indeed, the OCP eschews the most extreme forms of grunge-metal Life-Teen music (though its Spirit & Song comes close). At first sight, it does appear to take the middle ground between two extremes. In truth, however, it's only slightly behind the curve of the most radical liturgical innovators-as it's always behind the curve in the popular styles it tries to imitate.

What about the other option of splitting up the Masses according to style, so that those who like traditional music can have their own Mass and the people who compose for the OCP can have theirs? Prendergast rejects this. Whether the style is traditional, contemporary, folk, or even "rock," Prendergast says, "everyone in the parish has to be exposed to it." And what if a pastor just doesn't like rock and other contemporary styles? Prendergast says, "I would talk to the [chancery's] Office of Worship about him." I asked whether that means he would turn this poor priest in to the bishop. His response: "I would try to arrange for him to attend a workshop on liturgy."

With a great deal of knowledge, careful planning, and conscious intent, it is possible to manufacture decent liturgies even if the OCP music is all you have. You'll have to dig to find the good hymns (10 to 20 percent in the typical OCP publications), but it can be done. It's also true that not everyone involved with the OCP wants to destroy all that has gone before. There are probably many people on its middle-aged staff who from time to time cringe at the music, just as the people in the pews do. For his part, Prendergast is sure that he thinks with the mind of the Church, and there's no reason to doubt his sincerity.

In fact, there are periodic signs of hope. Regular readers of Today's Liturgy might have been astounded to see the recent one-page article buried in its pages that urged children be taught Latin hymns and chant. "The Second Vatican Council did not destroy the tradition of chant," said the writer, who was a student of the excellent English composer John Rutter. "We can still claim our chant heritage as part of the living Church's journey into the future." Indeed we can! But the news seems to be slow in getting around the OCP office. (The same issue contained a blast against a poor old lady who read a prayer book during Mass instead of singing goodness knows what.)

What's completely amazing about the entire OCP family is how lacking it is in self-awareness. The poor quality of contemporary Catholic music is a cultural cliché that turns up in late-night shows, Woody Allen movies, and Garrison Keillor's Prairie Home Companion. It is legendary among real musicians. Ask an organist what he thinks about today's Catholic music, and you will receive a raised eyebrow or a knowing laugh.

What You Can Do Right Now

The truth is that no one is happy with the state of Catholic liturgical music-least of all musicians-and the OCP is a big part of the problem. So, what can you do? Step 1 is to get rid of the liturgical planning guides and use an old Scripture index to select good hymns that have stood the test of time (if you absolutely must continue to use the OCP's materials). Step 2 is to rein in the liturgical managers and explain to them that the Eucharist, and not music, is the reason people show up to Mass Sunday after Sunday. Step 3 is to get rid of the OCP hymnals and replace them with Adoremus or Collegeville or something from GIA (no, none of these is perfect, but they are all an oasis by comparison).

Finally, reconsider those innocuous little missalettes. These harmless-looking booklets may be the source of the
trouble. Parishes can unsubscribe-accept no OCP handouts or volume discounts. There are plenty of passable missalettes and hymnals out there, and all the choral music you'll ever need is now public domain and easily downloadable for free (www.cpdl.org).

In his book, The Spirit of the Liturgy (Ignatius Press, 2000), Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger states clearly that popular music does not belong at Mass. Indeed, it's part of "a cult of the banal," and "rock" plainly stands "in opposition to Christian worship."

This is very strong language from the cardinal. And yet we know that many liturgy teams in American parishes will continue to do what they've been doing for decades-systematically reconstructing the liturgy to accommodate pop aesthetic sensibilities. The liturgy is treated not as something sublimely different but as a well-organized social hour revolving around religious themes.

It's up to you to decide the future course of your parish's liturgy: reverent worship or hootenanny. Despite what the OCP might tell you, you can't have both.

J.A. Tucker is the choral director of a schola cantorum and writes frequently for CRISIS.

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The only way that City of God is tolerable is to speed it up four times its intended speed play it on an elcetric guitar with a grunge pedal and sing it like a heavy metal rock star. Not for Mass of Coarse but for your own personal enjoyment. I like to play with Old School Church Music in that way.

argent_paladin
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The central problem with much theology in contemporary music, as I see it, is a reflection on the change in philosophy since the Middle Ages. Descartes shifted the focus from the objective universe and God, to himself. This is the turn to the subject, subjectivism, relativism. And we see that in the songs we sing. We used to sing songs about God. Now we sing songs about us.

"Now as we gather...", "We are called..", "I am the Bread of Life", "I will raise you up on Eagle's Wings", "One Bread, One Body", etc, etc. Almost always the focus shifts from Christ, to the congregation.

Musically, the central problem is also philosophical. The New is always better than the Old. But honestly, do we really think that the best composers somehow all wrote music in the last thirty years? The catholic composers today are usually the third-rate composers. The best composers writie popular songs (country, pop, rock, rap, etc) or classical music. But even 100 years ago, the best had to write liturgical music: Mozart, Bach, Palestrina, Rachmaninoff, etc. Now, its more important to be new than to be good.

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It's rather sad that I used to think Haagen/Haas etc, were [i]traditional[/i] songs.... and [i]good[/i] ones at that.

needless to say, that was all obliterated when i listened to the first five seconds of Palestrina's Missae Papae Marcelli... (the one done by the Oxford Camareta brings tears of ecstasy to my eyes every time i listen to it)

i wouldn't call them the "unholy triad", but they should get some sort of punishment (being force-fed the ashes of their music sheets comes to mind) for depriving millions of Catholics of good liturgical music.

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My seminary plays a lot of that music too. I cannot stand it. The Church has so many awe inspiring hyms that we could use. Its time that we stop singing hymns that are entertaining to us and sing songs that truly glorify God.

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Very good points, argent.

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