I'm Done.

[Azriel]

Again, I say ... Preach it sister.

Mrs. has said nothing about turning our backs on charity.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Thank you. What I said is, and not so much these words, but charity is more than telling someone that they're wrong. It's doing it with love.

[AngelofJesus]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Feb 8 2005, 09:07 AM'] Can I still get my t-shirt, dUSt? [/quote]
This not cool, yo! Dust, dude, what be is? Why all the shirts sold out?

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Actually, Brother Adam and I were told that we got shirts from dUSt cause we reverted on his forum.

[ironmonk]

Michael Moore tatics, I expected more from you dust.

1) I haven't been on your board for 5 years
2) You must have not read everything I've written in the thousands of posts. I have written sorry, and have changed my point of view on things when shown how/where I was wrong in my understanding of Church teachings.
3) I'm not going to write that I'm wrong unless it's true. Not once I have given any inclination to what you imply. In fact, others here disagree with you, and have attested to that on the board. The Churches teachings in faith and morals are perfect.

One must be proven wrong to be wrong. I am not wrong on what I posted here - someone simply crying 'your wrong' is the first sign of knowing that they are wrong.


[b]The Way[/b]
[i]1 Don't let your life be barren. Be useful. Make yourself felt. Shine forth with the torch of your faith and your love.

With your apostolic life, wipe out the trail of filth and slime left by the corrupt sowers of hatred. And set aflame all the ways of the earth with the fire of Christ that you bear in your heart.


3 Maturity. Stop acting the child; drop that affectation that only suits a silly girl. Let your outward conduct reflect the peace and order of your soul.


17 Don't succumb to that disease of character whose symptoms are inconstancy in everything, thoughtlessness in action and speech scatter-brained ideas: superficiality, in short.

Mark this well: unless you react in time — not tomorrow: now! — that superficiality which each day leads you to form those empty plans (plans 'so full of emptiness') will make of your life a dead and useless puppet.


34 Don't be afraid of the truth, even though the truth may mean your death.


43 Don't be so touchy. The least thing offends you. it's necessary to weigh one's words well before speaking to you even on the most

trivial matter.

Don't be annoyed if I tell you that you are... unbearable. Unless you change, you will never be of any use.


46 Don't you think that equality, as some people understand it, is synonymous with injustice?


54 'One must compromise' I Compromise is a word found only in the vocabulary of those who have no will to fight — the lazy, the cunning, the cowardly — for they consider themselves defeated before they start.


332 There is no excuse for those who could be scholars and are not.


340 Study. Study in earnest. If you are to be salt and light, you need knowledge, ability.

Or do you imagine that an idle and lazy life will entitle you to receive infused knowledge?

472 Serve your God unwaveringly, be faithful to him, and worry about nothing else. For it is indeed true that 'if you set your hearts on the kingdom of God and on his righteousness, he will give you all these other things — material necessities, the means — as well'.

484 Be an instrument of gold or steel, or iron or platinum,... big or small, rough or delicate.

All are useful; each one serves its own purpose. As in material things: would anyone dare assert that the carpenter's saw is less useful than the surgeon's scapel?

Your duty is to be an instrument.


836 To serve as a loud-speaker for the enemy is the height of idiocy; and if the enemy is God's enemy, it is a great sin. That is why, in the professional field, I never praise the knowledge of those who use it as rostrum from which to attack the Church.

849 Laugh at him! Tell him he is behind the times: it's incredible that some people still want to regard the stage— coach as a good means of transport. This is how I feel about those who persist in unearthing musty and periwigged 'Voltairianisms' or discredited liberalisms of the nineteenth century.[/i]







God Bless.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

So much for ironmonk being 'done'

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Feb 8 2005, 02:10 PM']
Preach dropping it and turn our backs on charity? I don't think that is good advice.


God Bless,
ironmonk [/QUOTE]
Give it up Ironmonk...There's nothing for me to drop. I'm not the one complaining about being suspended and people not being suspended. If you ask my opinion, from just reading this thread before I started posting, I'd say it has a lot to do with hurt pride. Nothing more, nothing less.


Face it, you're not used to having to dealing with the consequences of your actions in all the time you've been on this board. You have said some very harsh things, and they had nothing to do with charity. You preach charity, why don't you try practicing it. It's more than your definition. It's also baring in mind that how you say things is as important as what you say.

You can correct someone and be uncharitable at the same time. Correcting and charity do not go hand in hand. Correcting is not charity, and charity is not correcting. They're seperate.


Try choosing your words more wisely. Would you say half of what you've said to others if you were talking to Jesus? I highly doubt it. Remember...when you talk to us, you are talking to Jesus.


Either face the facts, or don't. But remember that there's more to life than being right. [/quote]
It appears either I miscommunicated somewhere on this post, or you misunderstood.

1) The issue is being warned/suspended over speaking the truth. The threads in question where inappropriate as the majority of the Church Militant/Scholars/Faithful agreed.

2) Another part of the issue is that the posts remained intact.


If you want it dropped, then don't reply. You are the one saying to drop it, your defensiveness speaks volumes.



God Bless.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Feb 8 2005, 12:43 PM'] So much for ironmonk being 'done' [/quote]
Stop the baiting here please.

I'd close this, but dUSt has specifically asked it stay open.


You all just need to walk away and leave it alone.


Go say the rosary. Go do the dishes. (I'm going to). Go take a walk. Go to adoration. Go to mass.

Just, all of us, let us go away from this.


It is unproductive and singularly un-Christian to continue to argue, bait and gawk at the spectical.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Face it, ironmonk. To speak truth does not mean you're speaking in charity. I can speak in truth and yet be a real jerk about it.


You didn't speak in charity when you spoke truth. It wasn't your 'speaking truth' that got you warned and suspended, it's the words that you used.



I can speak in tongues, but if I have not charity, I am nothing.



And I'm still convinced you're not 'done' as you wanted us to believe.

[dUSt]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Feb 8 2005, 12:41 PM'] Michael Moore tatics, I expected more from you dust. [/quote]
Charity demands correction. Your response does not suprise me. I will pray that we both deepen our understanding of humility. God bless.

[HomeTeamFamily]

i dont mean to butt in here, but ironmonk, while i respect your years of theological study and the apologetic work you do, why is it that, if you intended on leaving this board for good, did you create a thread that basically got one last jab in before you left?

seems a bit self righteous to me

[dUSt]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Feb 8 2005, 12:44 PM'] 1) The issue is being warned/suspended over speaking the truth. [/quote]
Oh yeah, [b]that[/b] is why you were suspended. Just like Bruce S. Give me a break man.

[popestpiusx]

I'm quite torn on this thread.

[dUSt]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Feb 8 2005, 01:32 PM'] I'm quite torn on this thread. [/quote]
Maybe a nice latte or merlot would help?

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Feb 8 2005, 02:40 PM'] Maybe a nice latte or merlot would help? [/quote]
Or perhaps a nice glass of Irish Whisky or maybe a pint of my homebrew.

[Paladin D]

[b]"Come, Lord Jesus Come."[/b]

[Paladin D]

This saddens me. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and run to the nearest Starbucks.

Edited February 8, 2005 by Paladin D

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

I think Paladin D is right

[jasJis]

THIS is what disturbs me.

What's the deal here on this thread? Monk has some vaild points in what he says and how he says it, but so do people that take offense of how he says it. Can it not be that both sides are partly right and partly wrong? It is pointless and extremely counter-productive to continue to argue points that only total surrender from the other party seems to be the sole way of ending a disagreement.

THIS is the poor judgement I see on phatmass all the time and why I cut way back on posting. It's not just mods, or dUSt, or Church Militant, or 'Hello, I do not rep the Church' people. It's all of us. dUSt and the mods have the inenviable job of trying to maintain civility here. I thought that Monk shouldn't have been suspended for the post he cited in the beginning, but IF (and thank God, I'm not) I were the web-master, I'd suspend Monk and a few others here for not letting it go. Sometimes we have to lose the battle and put faith in God winning the war. When we insist on winning the battle, we and many of those who we hope to win, lose the most than who we think we're trying to defeat.

Voice your opinion, make it clear, and step back. You aren't going to convince the recalcitrant. Those who can be influenced or are open to the message can get it. When we get caught up bickering at nuances or not resolving anything for 8 pages, we lose sight of the entire meaning of the original thread.

In my (hopefuly humble) opinion, this thread should have been closed after a couple of people voiced their opinion so we could all move on. If there are some serious aspects that weren't brought up, another thread could always be born. It's just like when my kids fight, and one or the other wants to get in the last lick but still expect the 'rent to come down on the other who 'started' the fight. They're unwilling to recognize that though they be in the right, they are escalating the problem and moving themselves to being wrong.

Peace. Out. (back to lurking and praying for all of us)