I'm Done.

[hyperdulia again]

"GF, Hyper - I couldn't care less of your comments . I note where something is coming from. You two have caused more issues on this site than any anti-Catholic I've seen. You have a knack for taking things out of context and running with them like when Ian Paisley quotes the Vatican. God Help You."

I take nothing you say out of context. You are a pedantic bully, and anyone who thinks you're a "good" Catholic is seriously confused. You are a hateful, cruel, abusive, un-Christian neanderthal. And the only reasons no one tells you so are 1) Nobody wants to have to deal with your abuse afterwards. 2) Most of us take some kind of sinful pleasure in you directing your uncharitableness, and repulsive (I mean repulsive in the deepest possible way, I think you are an "instrument of Satan" used to pervert Catholicism into something so cold, something so dead on the inside, something so bloody Roman, that anyone who doesn't flee you and the Church as you represent her, scares me--you are a donatist, you are a schistrad, you are a sede, you have set up in your mind this absolutely unworkable system where charity and truth can't coexist, where the doctrinal and the pastoral must war with each other, where the Church must be made to fit into some right-winged box that has never really been able to contain all of her---you are an absolute danger [to the Church, to the human soul] and it amazes me that it has taken this long for you to be banned, you once said it to me, now I say it to you: you are a heretic.) harassment towards Protestants. 3) Because you have that little "I'm a good Catholic pay attention to me" sticker next to your name.

[argent_paladin]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Feb 5 2005, 10:00 PM']That comment was directed at [i]good [/i]friday - quotes denotes stressing the topic. Now, the italics is tongue in cheek. I don't want anyone thinking wrong on that one.
[/quote]
See, I told you this was a simple misunderstanding...
There is a huge difference between:
1. What is inappropriate is that this type of stuff be allow to posted on a "Catholic" message board

and

2. What is inappropriate is that this type of stuff be allow to posted on a [i]Catholic[/i] message board.

The second is simple emphasis.

The first, as I said before, implies that this board is something other than Catholic, which is insulting to its creator. Putting quotes around a word often means that the word means the opposite of what you say.
So, rather than emphasizing the Catholic nature of this site, you denied it. Need proof?

"Quotation marks are also used to indicate that a word does not have its normal meaning. For example, 'In the early part of the War, no one ever came away from smelling the apparent "lovely carnation" in Lee's lapel without getting a generous eyeful of Swanee River water' (Allen, 1991, p.278). The quotation marks around "lovely carnation" (known as "scare quotes") indicate that the carnation is not really a "lovely carnation"."
[url="http://www.webster.edu/~woolflm/author1.htm"]Source[/url]

Especially note the bold:

Quotation marks used in this way are informally called scare quotes. Scare quotes are quotation marks placed around a word or phrase from which you, the writer, wish to distance yourself because you consider that word or phrase to be odd or inappropriate for some reason. Possibly you regard it as too colloquial for formal writing; possibly you think it's unfamiliar or mysterious; possibly you consider it to be inaccurate or misleading; [b]possibly you believe it's just plain wrong.[/b] Quite often scare quotes are used to express irony or sarcasm:

The Serbs are closing in on the "safe haven" of Goradzde.

The point here is that the town has been officially declared a safe haven by the UN, whereas in fact, as the quote marks make clear, it is anything but safe. Here's another example:

Sharon Stone made dozens of "adult films" before getting her Hollywood break.

The phrase `adult films' is the industry's conventional label for pornographic films, and here the writer is showing that she recognizes this phrase as nothing more than a dishonest euphemism.

It is important to realize this distancing effect of scare quotes. [b]Quotation marks are not properly used merely in order to draw attention to words, and all those pubs which declare [i]We Sell "Traditional Pub Food" [/i]are unwittingly suggesting to a literate reader that they are in fact serving up microwaved sludge.[/b]

You made a mistake and misused the scare quotes, inadvertantly offending dUSt. And before that you were warned 8 times. Then you get a martyr complex. That is not mature nor productive.

[rachael]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Feb 6 2005, 12:06 AM'] I'm keeping this thread open because I think it's healthy. Therapeudic even.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for Ironmonk. Despite my natural human tendency to go on the defensive, I'll let it go. I urge everyone to go to moraltruth.com as I'm positive that it will remain faithful to church teaching.

With that said, I will continue to allow ALL types of people post here, and as long as they remain charitable and respect the guidelines, they are always welcome. Athiests, Protestants, Homosexuals, Schismatics, liberals, conservatives, and creepy aliens. Those of you who know me know how I feel about orthodoxy to the church, and must know how I cringe at some of the things that are posted here--but I hardly think that closing the door on certain people will do this phorum much good. This place would be quite the bore if all we did was agree with eachother all the time.

There will be changes implemented soon as soon as I get settled into a new house. I am going to decrease the amount of boards, open up a chat room, eliminate the specific board moderators while making a few of the moderators universal across the whole phorum.

Again, I thank those of you who continue to believe in what phatmass is trying to do. I promise that the future will bring bigger and better things, and we will continue the fight to promote orthodoxy to Christ's Church in ways that haven't been done before.

AD MAJOREM DEI GLORIAM! [/quote]
dUSt, i love that attitude :wub:

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Good Friday' date='Feb 5 2005, 09:13 PM'] [quote name='cmotherofpirl']Please do not assume people leave because of "pride".
Assuming such is presumptous and you really haven't a clue.

Iron and especially Jas have been here for years and are good Catholics and good people.[/quote]
Yes, and of course the rest of us are just bad. I've been here longer than Ironmonk, by the way.

But this isn't really about Ironmonk or jasJis, this is about you picking on Teresa. You and a few others didn't like the way she ran the NFP forum and thought you could do better -- because you can [b]always[/b] do better than other people, isn't that right? -- so you've decided you'll pick on her indefinitely, probably until she leaves. There's a [b]good Catholic[/b] for you. I think it was you who insinuated that she didn't have any integrity, or maybe that was HSMom. Whatever. Whichever of you it was, I ask you: What kind of Catholic integrity do you display when you follow someone around the forum to criticize everything they say because you don't like them and want them to leave?

It's appalling, given your behavior toward Teresa for weeks now, that you are still a moderator. dUSt shouldn't let people who can't be civil toward the other moderators continue to be moderators -- and yes, I [b]have[/b] addressed this with him privately. He of course has done nothing about you, and so I am addressing it publicly now.

You should be stripped of your moderator privileges. Teresa was right and you were wrong, and you just can't stand it. That shows too much pride on your part to be a moderator. [/quote]
Funny I don't recall mentioning you. , but then it always comes back to you, doesn't it.

If you recall the threads in question, I kept them open because they are important topics of discussion. Jas and Iron disagreed. That doesn't make them bad Catholics.

As the the NFP board moderators, that is really none of your business is it?
I think new members should be introduced and they don't. But its their board.

Since then Theresa is sewing a project for me, and I fixed a picture for her for Ebay.
So you are the one rambling on....

[Brother Adam]

[quote]eliminate the specific board moderators while making a few of the moderators universal across the whole phorum[/quote]

[LSW]

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Can't we just take a step back away from the computers, take a nice deep breath, and remember that every word typed is typed in reference, or to, a fellow human being, who is on the same journey to the afterlife? That it's our job, as Catholics, to help them on their way to reach heaven?


As insult after insult is posted in this thread, what kind of testimony are we sending those who are considering becoming Catholic? Are we showing them the love of God that He's given us, our is it our human nature, which is ugly at best, that has taken over? Are our actions an encouragement to those who would want to become Catholic, or is it stating that it's not a good thing to be Catholic?


From what I've read, if this the only thing I saw of Catholics, I woudln't want to become one. In fact, I'd think we all had serious issues.



*shame*

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Just wanted to say that Ironmonk's zeal is a big part of why I joined Phatmass.

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Feb 6 2005, 11:18 AM'] Can't we just take a step back away from the computers, take a nice deep breath, and remember that every word typed is typed in reference, or to, a fellow human being, who is on the same journey to the afterlife? That it's our job, as Catholics, to help them on their way to reach heaven?


As insult after insult is posted in this thread, what kind of testimony are we sending those who are considering becoming Catholic? Are we showing them the love of God that He's given us, our is it our human nature, which is ugly at best, that has taken over? Are our actions an encouragement to those who would want to become Catholic, or is it stating that it's not a good thing to be Catholic?


From what I've read, if this the only thing I saw of Catholics, I woudln't want to become one. In fact, I'd think we all had serious issues.



*shame* [/quote]
:wub:

[toledo_jesus]

I agree with Mrs. Bro Adam. This bickering behavior gives Catholics on this board a bad name. If I thought you guys could engage in a constructive dialogue without resorting to name-calling, then I would suggest you do that.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Feb 6 2005, 02:50 PM'] I agree with Mrs. Bro Adam. This bickering behavior gives Catholics on this board a bad name. If I thought you guys could engage in a constructive dialogue without resorting to name-calling, then I would suggest you do that. [/quote]
Exactly.

[Good Friday]

I apologize for my part in this fiasco, which has been significant, to say the least. I especially apologize to Cheryl, who did not in any way deserve what I said to her.

I profoundly disagree with y'all on almost everything, but I'm not going to fight with you about it anymore. God bless.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Good Friday' date='Feb 6 2005, 05:02 PM'] I apologize for my part in this fiasco, which has been significant, to say the least. I especially apologize to Cheryl, who did not in any way deserve what I said to her.

I profoundly disagree with y'all on almost everything, but I'm not going to fight with you about it anymore. God bless. [/quote]
Thank you.

[crusader1234]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Feb 6 2005, 11:18 AM'] *shame* [/quote]
-_-

I personally think that the debate table should be locked until something worth discussing comes up. Right now there are no good topics, so we're sinking our teeth into eachother.

Shame indeed.

[PedroX]

This thread largely explains why I no longer am a regular poster. Iron Monk blows up about something, and next thing you know everybody is insulting everybody. I still love PhatMass, and will be eternally grateful to it. I enjoy being a mod on the converts board (Dust, please let me have this one piece of meaning in my life! )
but I don't enjoy posting in the Debate table as much as I used to. Perhaps too, it has to do with being a seminarian as well and knowing I need to be more careful of what I say that I did in the past.

Anyway, it was good to see lots of folks crawling out of the woodwork on this one. Kilroy, Az, Princess Bling Bling, The Adam's etc.

Dust, know that I pray regularly for you and that this is a good work. God bless you.

peace...

[crusader1234]

Phatmass is most DEFINATELY a good work. If it weren't for Phatmass, like most cradle Catholics, I would have ended up Atheist/3 times a year Catholic.

On behalf of all Phatmassers that owe their faith to you, thank you so much for this site. And I know there are a lot of us.

May you be in Heaven a full half hour before the devil knows you're dead.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

P.S. dUSt...Brother Adam and I are still waiting for our t-shirts

[dUSt]

Oh yeah.

[jezic]

yea cooler heads prevailed.

This is much better. I agree that i would strongly consider avoiding the church forever if this was my one experience of Catholicism. Good thing it isn't.

The other huge part of the entire thing is forgiveness.

By the way dust, this board is awesome. It didn't help me become truly Catholic. THta happened a few years ago. It helped me understand why i am catholic.