Kilroy the Ninja Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 Sorry it was in the Open Mic dude. I'm only moderator here in Debate. Please don't go. But I understand if you feel you must. May the Lord Bless you and keep you!
Paladin D Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 Don't leave, we haven't conquered the world yet! (Seriously, don't go )
Guest Aluigi Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 very indicative of the crises in today's Church. there is first off a divide between the orthodox and the heterodox, but it is not being overcome because the orthodox split from the heterodox and the heterodox split from the orthodox into little sects thereby never achieving the true Catholic Unity we strive for. I will admit that perhaps in this conversation I may not have been the most helpful to any orthodox position. I was in a bit of a bad place myself and didn't have the strenth to fight anything, and simply wouldn't have had the words or the proof to back them up for the topic. I saw no one come in with full and substantial orthodox guns blazing that included not only the words but the proof. If someone came with evidence about how it would be considered self-mutilation, then by all means: show the time place and text of the Church or compilation of ECFs that says such. I wouldn't contend that that exists, in fact I'm fairly certain it does. But all that was in the thread was the artical from the Vatican that said that if a person had the procedure it wouldn't change their gender. it said nothing of what their gender actually is or whatever, just that surgery is a superficial change. If you leave, you continue to contribute to the disunity of the Church in the modern world thusly contributing to our inneffectiveness to convert the whole world. Christ stayed where Pontius Pilate was, you can stay where dUSt is (no offence to dUSt, though there is the paralel that he was probably pressured into the decision to ban you as well). That's my thoughtful reflection on that particular discussion and my participation in it as well as your incredibly foolish decision to run away from conflict and disagreement.
argent_paladin Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 I read the entire thread to get some context, but was still unsure of how to vote. First, I would say that it would be unfair to suspend you but not suspend GF. I also think it was a bit disingenuous of Hyper to merely say "Jon left me" rather than give needed context. I did see your point and you were defending church doctrine and were provoked by GF. Still, I think that you should stay. I just joined and it would like to get to know your views better. I have a feeling that we are kindred spirits. Maybe you will change your mind in a few days or weeks. We'll always welcome you back.
Socrates Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 [quote name='argent_paladin' date='Feb 4 2005, 05:52 AM'] I read the entire thread to get some context, but was still unsure of how to vote. First, I would say that it would be unfair to suspend you but not suspend GF. I also think it was a bit disingenuous of Hyper to merely say "Jon left me" rather than give needed context. I did see your point and you were defending church doctrine and were provoked by GF. Still, I think that you should stay. I just joined and it would like to get to know your views better. I have a feeling that we are kindred spirits. Maybe you will change your mind in a few days or weeks. We'll always welcome you back. [/quote] At the risk of getting suspended myself, (and not to keep harping onf the GF issue), it appears there is something of a double-standard in the moderating. It seems the moderators are much more quick to suspend/penalize conservatives of various stripes than they are a "gay activist." Do I catch a whiff of political correctness here? (I'm not attacking all moderators - I really don't know who's most directly responsible.) Liberals here keep complaining of PM's supposed right-wing bias. I have seen no evidence of it
toledo_jesus Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 GF has voluntarily left, I think. Too bad. We'll see how long he stays away, but for the record I think the thread should have been moved here or closed. Some here may care about your personal life, but not all (c'est moi). And not all on this site are adults. I found the entire subject inappropriate and in poor taste. In my opinion, both GF and Ironmonk should have been suspended for a bit. The whole situation could have been avoided, and hopefully from now on it will be. Personal e-mail and Instant Messenger should be used for discussion of personal problems...not a forum.
Azriel Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 Don't go. Look. Its easy to blame moderators for the state of the phorum. We are the easy scapegoats when something doesn't sit right. But, truly none of the moderators are doing nothing but the best job they can do, with the best of intentions. I am an Open Mic Mod, and I didn't close the thread. Why? I didn't feel it violated any guidelines. It was a thread started by a member of our phamily ... whom we (most anyway) were all aware of his situation. If another moderator closed it, then I would have been fine with it because I stand behind those who dedicate time to a board when we all have other lives. And quite frankly .... drama pops up and down in the phorum in regular cycles .. that is the way it is always going to be. There will always be someone who blames the admin or moderators ... and someone will threaten to leave, or leave for awhile. Phatmass is home. Phatmasser's are phamily. Phamily's fight. Phamily's say things to each other that they regret. In the end, phamily's love each other. That's really all there is to it.
IcePrincessKRS Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 (edited) First off, I think it would be a great loss if Ironmonk and jasJis leave phatmass permanantly. I am sad to see them go (if they decide to stay away). I hope they both reconsider. Second, I am preeetttyyyy sure that the threads in question WERE closed. Third, (for those that keep saying "moderators") only dUSt can suspend someone, and I'm fairly certain that corresponds to how high your warning level gets. Mods can edit, delete, close threads, and raisie warn levels (and this happens to everyone no matter what their leanings are). Edited February 4, 2005 by IcePrincessKRS
Theoketos Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 Max do not make your self be a martyr, let your self be martyred, I agree with you on the graphic nature of those threads.
Socrates Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 This is the offending post that got IronMonk suspended (in its entirety, excluding the quote from GF): [quote]What is inappropriate is the way people are reacting to this. What is inappropriate is that this type of stuff be allow to posted on a "Catholic" message board. [/quote] I ran a search and Max had posted absolutely nothing derogatory, offensive, or contrary to forum rules on the forum. If I am wrong, Dust or a moderator can PM me, and I will say no more of this matter. However, it is clear to me that grotesque injustice has been done to IronMonk. An (unnamed) person has done far worse and not been banned. It appears penalties are handed out quite arbitrarily on this site.
spathariossa Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 [quote name='ironmonk' date='Feb 3 2005, 05:05 PM'] "transgendered" (which is nothing more than ssa that wants a sex change - they're not in the wrong body) God Bless, Max aka ironmonk [/quote] Can't resist a parting snipe no matter how inaccurate can you? I don't want surgery, I have no sexual attractions much less same sex attractions. I'd be upset to see you go if your opinions weren't so ignorant.
rachael Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 people are always going to disagree on pm. please don't go. drama does go around in regular circles here. soon all will be good again.
Azriel Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 [quote name='rachael' date='Feb 4 2005, 02:29 PM'] people are always going to disagree on pm. please don't go. drama does go around in regular circles here. soon all will be good again. [/quote] Thank you ... for a minute I thought maybe I was wrong .... I knew there was a reason I dig you Rachael.
rachael Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 [quote name='Azriel' date='Feb 4 2005, 02:52 PM'] Thank you ... for a minute I thought maybe I was wrong .... [/quote] what did i do?
Azriel Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 [quote name='rachael' date='Feb 4 2005, 02:56 PM'] what did i do? [/quote] Nothing but agree with my post up there, silly. I was thanking you for agreeing with me.
rachael Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 [quote name='Azriel' date='Feb 4 2005, 03:00 PM'] Nothing but agree with my post up there, silly. I was thanking you for agreeing with me. [/quote] oh.
rufiokicks Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 I don't know if they're really fair grounds to suspend you on. The phatmass forum discusses abortion and sex and some might say that this isn't appropriate for children either. Suspension is a might much.
Balthazor Posted February 4, 2005 Posted February 4, 2005 Well you are not suspended now. So that is good. Personally I find your zeal a blessing. However there are quite a few younger phatmasses who have access to this board. I do not know what specifically you did to get suspended, but considering what you can say on this board and not be suspended it must have been abrasive to be charitable. Just remember there are probably more sins against charity than there are against chastity, we should be on guard against both. Your zeal is a gift, and it is wonderful that you want to fight for God. However Prudence is also a gift that should be excercised.
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