Luthien Posted March 21, 2005 Posted March 21, 2005 [quote name='zealousrap' date='Mar 20 2005, 08:47 PM'] that's an awesome point...we need prayer warriors, who's wit me?? [/quote] I with ya!
stargirl3:16 Posted March 21, 2005 Posted March 21, 2005 [quote name='MC Just' date='Mar 20 2005, 08:39 PM']i sent the article to these: cnn msnbc cbs abc fox nbc, hardball, scarborough country... Where eles can i send it?[/quote] Try Channel One. I know it's just news for students, but it could make a difference. Besides, when I went to their site, they had only a small article and short timeline about it. They need to know. [url="http://www.channelone.com"]Channel One News[/url]
ironmonk Posted March 22, 2005 Author Posted March 22, 2005 [b]2242 [/b] The citizen is obliged in conscience not to follow the directives of civil authorities when they are contrary to the demands of the moral order, to the fundamental rights of persons or the teachings of the Gospel. Refusing obedience to civil authorities, when their demands are contrary to those of an upright conscience, finds its justification in the distinction between serving God and serving the political community. "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."48 "We must obey God rather than men":49 When citizens are under the oppression of a public authority which oversteps its competence, they should still not refuse to give or to do what is objectively demanded of them by the common good; but it is legitimate for them to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens against the abuse of this authority within the limits of the natural law and the Law of the Gospel.50 Some of referenced the above CCC in regards to Gov. Bush using the National Gaurd to rescue Terri. But... we must also look at: [b]2243 [/b] Armed resistance to oppression by political authority is not legitimate, unless all the following conditions are met: 1) there is certain, grave, and prolonged violation of fundamental rights; 2) all other means of redress have been exhausted; 3) such resistance will not provoke worse disorders; 4) there is well-founded hope of success; and 5) it is impossible reasonably to foresee any better solution. I believe the best thing we can do is vote every democrat that didn't vote or voted against Terri out of office.... along with all republicans that voted against Terri... along with the judges involved. The issue some are saying is a right to die case but it is not, because there is no living will... if she had a living will, this wouldn't be an issue. The problem that people fail to realize is that her husband could by lying, and if he can end her life because of a lie without a living will, none of us are safe. If Terri does end up dying this way... Let's not let it be in vain. It is time to take back our country with the values that we were taught as a child that are supposed to be our country's values. God Bless, ironmonk
ironmonk Posted March 22, 2005 Author Posted March 22, 2005 A friend of mine thinks that 2243 has been met... here is what I think because of Catholic teaching... ----- The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. 3) such resistance will not provoke worse disorders; Civil war is not the answer for one life. The National Gaurd taking Terri would cause serious issues. We cannot have police vs. the national gaurd. Believing that it would be just for this case is a contradiction of values when looking at how many innocent babies have died from aboriton. Where is this reaction for abortion? If not, then it's a contradiction. One woman might die from this in around 15 days. In 15 days, more than 60,000 babies will have been killed legally in America. If we can't save them by force, we cannot save Terri by force. If I'm wrong, please explain to me how I am wrong. ------ God Bless, ironmonk
MC Just Posted March 22, 2005 Posted March 22, 2005 (edited) But Terri dying, it will open a door for Euthanasia. It will become just like abortion.. Should we not do everything in our power to stop that from happening? 2243 has been met. I mean i have no power to start a war but if i did have the power there would be a war. )Ironmonk, i believe you know what group i'd start a war on too. They deserve it, they are a heartless perfidious and pernicious people. Enemy of everything good and true. Edited March 22, 2005 by MC Just
stargirl3:16 Posted March 22, 2005 Posted March 22, 2005 I found another interesting article: [url="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43419"]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=43419[/url]
ironmonk Posted March 22, 2005 Author Posted March 22, 2005 [quote name='MC Just' date='Mar 22 2005, 02:25 PM'] But Terri dying, it will open a door for Euthanasia. It will become just like abortion.. Should we not do everything in our power to stop that from happening? 2243 has been met. I mean i have no power to start a war but if i did have the power there would be a war. )Ironmonk, i believe you know what group i'd start a war on too. They deserve it, they are a heartless perfidious and pernicious people. Enemy of everything good and true. [/quote] They haven't been met bro. It would not have a good possibility of success and more people might die in the gun fight that will ensue. Federal level will step on the state level. Next we'll have Army vs. National Gaurd... etc... It can't happen that way. People should have taken a stand about this type of thing back in 1973 - but they didn't. Why now? If they cared, abortion would have stopped in the 70's. It will not open the door to Euthenasia, if we vote the anti-life liberals (mostly democrats) out of office and the activist judges. It will not open the door to Euthenasia if we cry loud enough to our house and senate to reduce the power of the courts. People have living wills. The issue is that she didn't, and her husband claims she doesn't want to live artificially - and her parents and some friends claim she wouldn't want to be starved. The issue here is that we cannot let people without living wills allowed to die by the word of someone with questionable motives. If she was truly a vegitable, then she would not know that she was being kept alive and it wouldn't matter to her at all that she lives. Therefore care should be given to the parents. I believe her [i]husband[/i] has something to hide and doesn't want her better. I say - Where is our faith in God?! Anything God wills will happen. We must do our part, and our part is pray and vote. It's time to end communism tyrony under the guise of the democrat party and muzzle the court system by reducing their power and ousting the judges. Maybe her husband isn't lying... We don't know. We can't go to civil war over one life. We don't have a high chance of success. Greater disorder will ensue. If people really feel so strongly.... prove it by preaching it until we get things fixed by electing better people. God Bless, ironmonk
MC Just Posted March 22, 2005 Posted March 22, 2005 Your correct, but you know what we should do? Set something up so that these satanist pro-deather's never, ever, ever, ever get into places of power again.
Melchisedec Posted March 22, 2005 Posted March 22, 2005 Aslong as diversity among people in beliefs both political and spiritual exist in the United States . Than no one group will have absolute power. Our government is always atleast in theory, striving to reach a balance for everyone in this country.
ironmonk Posted March 22, 2005 Author Posted March 22, 2005 [quote name='Melchisedec' date='Mar 22 2005, 04:26 PM'] Aslong as diversity among people in beliefs both political and spiritual exist in the United States . Than no one group will have absolute power. Our government is always atleast in theory, striving to reach a balance for everyone in this country. [/quote] Our government is not striving to reach a balence. Prime example... abortion. In regards to abortion, it had nothing to do with balence, it had to do with crooked judges. When abortion was legalized, it was accepted by roughly 30% of Americans. The minority liberal extremists have their opinions forced on all of us via crooked judges. The liberal extremists have polluted the minds of children by seeping into schools and becoming "teachers"... now, abortion is much more accepted, but it is still far from balenced. The majority of Americans know it's wrong. God Bless, ironmonk
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