Guest Eremite Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 I can be elected Pope too. Doesn't mean I should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 come on... who doesn't want an Irish pope?! Desmond Cardinal Connell Age: 79 As far as I can tell he seems fairly orthodox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 (edited) How come dUSt hasn't put up any American Cardinals? Must be anti-American bias. Darn Euro-Weenies. Edited April 9, 2005 by Eremite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookwyrm Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Apr 9 2005, 04:07 PM'] come on... who doesn't want an Irish pope?! Desmond Cardinal Connell Age: 79 As far as I can tell he seems fairly orthodox [/quote] suweeeet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 I think it is an interesting dillema as to whether an eastern patriarch cardinal would become the Pope... because the Pope has a dual job. there's no problem when it comes to the eastern patriarch guy being pope, but the Bishop of Rome is also the Western Patriarch. so, does the eastern patriarch have to cease being an eastern patriarch, or can he be patriarch of two rites at the same time? perhaps he would have to appoint a Patriarch of the Roman Rite and not be patriarch of the Roman Rite himself. does the Pope necessarily have to be the Patriarch of the Roman Rite as well or could the jobs be split? could anyone be patriarch of two rites at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argent_paladin Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 1. I don't know much about Turcotte. He just seems about the right age and of any North American, he seems to have the best chance because he is not an English speaker. 2. I have to disagree with Apotheon. There are six western patriarchates (one is vacant) and six eastern ones. I would be upset if the Patriarch of Babylon of the Chaldeans was a Latin. Just so, I don't think that a Chaldean should be Pope, even though he is eligible. Your first argument is a strawman. No one here has said that the Pope was wrong to make Eastern Catholics cardinals. In fact, I have only heard Easterners complain about it since they are already Patriarchs, "cardinal" is a step down and a western title anyway. But here no one denies the pope's right. So you shouldn't imply otherwise. Your second "argument", that Christians in the eastern empire have become pope is also a weak one. Has this happened since particular churches have formed in a formal structure? Now that the Church understands and respects the differences of the various churches sui iuris, I don't think it would be fitting for an Eastern Catholic to become the Bishop of Rome, Primate of Italy and Patriarch of the West. When was the last time and Eastern Christian was elected? I would guess that it was over 1200 years ago. On that basis, you could say, why doesn't the Church select an 18 year old nephew of a cardinal as pope. That has happened before, too. That doesn't mean it could happen now, or would be prudent. Your last argument is the weakest of all. " You may not like it, but an Eastern Catholic can be elected Pope." Yes, Eastern Catholics are eligible. But, since John Kerry is technically eligible, or even Richard McBrien, does that mean that it would be reasonable to consider them? Of course not. This is not a list of all eligible candidates, since that would be in the hundreds of millions. I don't even think Metropolitan Husar could say Mass in the Roman rite (of course he could grant himself the faculties.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest :Jesus'Freak: Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 My nominee is Cardinal Lopez Rodriguez from Santo Domingo. He´s a great priest, adores youth, he really takes cares of us, even has a radio show weekly and he talks about actual matters like marriage and violence... He worked first as responsible for the secretariat for the military ministry in Latin America, then as vice-president, elected in the ordinary assembly in Ypacarai in March 1987 and finally as president, elected during the XXIII ordinary assembly held in Argentina in San Miguel on 25 April 1991 (until 1995). He has also been active in various meetings of the Synod of Bishops. He´s been rector of a university, he is kind of conservative but he defends our nation with a strength you´d never imagine. He has a very strong position against corruption and towards helping poor people, participates in every evangelist activity specially organized for young people(that´s what I like the most, he´s always there) Well, is a proposal, though I like Radzintger...just to add something new to the list Blessings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest :Jesus'Freak: Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 My nominee is Cardinal Lopez Rodriguez from Santo Domingo. He´s a great priest, adores youth, he really takes cares of us, even has a radio show weekly and he talks about actual matters like marriage and violence... He worked first as responsible for the secretariat for the military ministry in Latin America, then as vice-president, elected in the ordinary assembly in Ypacarai in March 1987 and finally as president, elected during the XXIII ordinary assembly held in Argentina in San Miguel on 25 April 1991 (until 1995). He has also been active in various meetings of the Synod of Bishops. He´s been rector of a university, he is kind of conservative but he defends our nation with a strength you´d never imagine. He has a very strong position against corruption and towards helping poor people, participates in every evangelist activity specially organized for young people(that´s what I like the most, he´s always there) By the way, he´s 68. Well, is a proposal, though I like Radzintger...just to add something new to the list Blessings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argent_paladin Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 [quote name='Q the Ninja' date='Apr 9 2005, 08:54 AM'] I was going to mention that none of the Cardinals are prefects any more. The offices are closed during the Interregnum and will be vacated at the election of a new Pope, who may reappoint them. [/quote] True, but four cardinals still have their jobs, and one is American: 1. The Camerlengo (the Vatican Chamberlin) who has many important duties during the interim- Cardinal Martinez Somalo (Spain) 2. The Major Penitentary- Cardinal Stafford (USA) 3. Cardinal Vicar General for the Diocese of Rome- Cardinal Ruini (Italy) 4. Cardinal Archpriest of the Vatican Basilica and Vicar General for Vatican City- Cardinal Marchisano (Italy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 [quote name='argent_paladin' date='Apr 9 2005, 06:31 PM'] True, but four cardinals still have their jobs, and one is American: 1. The Camerlengo (the Vatican Chamberlin) who has many important duties during the interim- Cardinal Martinez Somalo (Spain) 2. The Major Penitentary- Cardinal Stafford (USA) 3. Cardinal Vicar General for the Diocese of Rome- Cardinal Ruini (Italy) 4. Cardinal Archpriest of the Vatican Basilica and Vicar General for Vatican City- Cardinal Marchisano (Italy) [/quote] I believe the Dean of the College of Cardinals still has his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 I would love for an Eastern to be Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 To imply that Eastern Rite Catholics are not eligible for the papacy seems to me to relegate them to a second-class, almost "colonial" status. The Pope is not just the Patriarch of the West; he is also head of the ENTIRE church, regardless of rite. If an Eastern Rite Catholic is selected as Pope, he might either switch rites or else he might get faculties of both rites; I don't know. Maybe if someone knows of a church document that addresses it (I could find nothing under the 1983 code of Canon Law) they could let us know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 (edited) Norseman, There is more to the 22 Catholic Churches than Liturgical rite. Particularly between Roman and Byzantine, there is a whole different theological tradition. Barring Eastern Catholics from becoming the head of the Western Church doesn't relegate them to "second class" status anymore than barring Western Catholics from becoming the head of an Eastern Church relegates them to "second class" status. Those faithful in the 22 Catholic Churches have a right to a head who knows and lives their particular traditions, and can lead them in those traditions. Latin Catholics have just as much a right to a head who knows and lives their traditions as Byzantine Catholics do. The head of the Byzantine Catholic Church shouldn't be a Tridentine rite Thomist, and neither should the head of the Latin Catholic Church (the Pope) be an Eastern rite Palamite. Edited April 10, 2005 by Eremite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 "Separate but Equal" - where have I heard that one before???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 I'm not sure. Marriage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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