theculturewarrior Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 How can good exist, if there is no God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 wow... that is very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 I'd might even go further.... if it does exist, why and what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Apr 9 2005, 11:27 AM'] How can good exist, if there is no God? [/quote] Its a silly question essentially because to you, good emanates from god. To me, good is inherent in man and has nothing to do with god. My answer is can god exists without man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted April 9, 2005 Author Share Posted April 9, 2005 You haven't answered...you asked another question. Where does good come from if it doesn't come from God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted April 9, 2005 Author Share Posted April 9, 2005 Why is good inherent in man? This seems to deny the problem of evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Apr 9 2005, 11:35 AM'] You haven't answered...you asked another question. Where does good come from if it doesn't come from God? [/quote] Its inherent in man, because god doesnt exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Apr 9 2005, 11:36 AM'] Why is good inherent in man? This seems to deny the problem of evil. [/quote] Not at all. Evil is also inherrent in man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted April 9, 2005 Author Share Posted April 9, 2005 Well... The way I'm thinking of good, includes man's "inherent" goodness (although victims of sexual assault might disagree with you on that point), but I'm approaching this from both cosmologic and anthropocentric point of view. For example, atheists, when they cite the problem of evil, say things like "how can God let tsunamis happen." I agree, tsunamis are horrible, but God brought peace and prosperity to another part of the world, and as a result, humanitarian aid is going to the affected regions. We have a civilization that seems to have a "vestigial" sort of compassion on the less fortunate, at least in this instance. What evolutionary purpose does humanitarian aid have? And then, we have a Universe that seems fine tuned to support human life, with the resources necessary to provide humanitarian aid. Is your answer, "just because?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted April 9, 2005 Author Share Posted April 9, 2005 Mother Teresa and her contemplative sisters have done things like pulling the dying off the streets and picking the worms off their bodies so they can die in peace. Is this compassion a quality that is inherent in man? If so, why is man inherently good and evil? Where does good come from? Why was Mother Teresa exceptionally good? If it was inherent, and did not spring from the Holy Spirit, why do people who strive to be good fall short of Mother Teresa's heroism? Is it evolutionary? Why do humans die for their children, but fish eat their young? "It's inherent in man" sounds like "just because." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted April 9, 2005 Author Share Posted April 9, 2005 [quote name='Melchisedec' date='Apr 9 2005, 11:37 AM'] Its inherent in man, because god doesnt exist. [/quote] this isn't an argument. I can just as easily say, "Atheists wallow in a personal hell of their own design, because God exists." But to leave it at that is just unsubstantiated opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Apr 9 2005, 11:52 AM'] [/quote] [quote]The way I'm thinking of good, includes man's "inherent" goodness (although victims of sexual assault might disagree with you on that point), but I'm approaching this from both cosmologic and anthropocentric point of view. [/quote] Like I said, evil is also inherrent in men. I dont believe a little demon told you to sexual assault that women. It a personal choice that is made out of selffishness,(among many things) and to seek power over another. [quote]For example, atheists, when they cite the problem of evil, say things like "how can God let tsunamis happen." I agree, tsunamis are horrible, but God brought peace and prosperity to another part of the world, and as a result, humanitarian aid is going to the affected regions.[/quote] God created evil , according to scripture. [quote] We have a civilization that seems to have a "vestigial" sort of compassion on the less fortunate, at least in this instance. What evolutionary purpose does humanitarian aid have? And then, we have a Universe that seems fine tuned to support human life, with the resources necessary to provide humanitarian aid.[/quote] I dont know what you mean by evolutionary purpose. Why do we help our fellow man, for many reasons. Compassion, empathy, selflessness. [quote]Is your answer, "just because?"[/quote] I think thats the answer to why has god always existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Apr 9 2005, 02:37 PM'] this isn't an argument. [/quote] Your argument is based on your worldview, so is mine. Its perfectly valid. [quote]I can just as easily say, "Atheists wallow in a personal hell of their own design, because God exists."[/quote] You are entitled to your opinion, even if its based out of your own predjudices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrndveritatis Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 [quote]God created evil , according to scripture.[/quote] Where does Scripture say this? The Genesis account includes no mention of God creating evil. After every act of creation, God notes that it is very good. Certainly God allows evil. This might sound like a copout, but it is not. It is fundamentally and philosophically distinct from creating evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted April 9, 2005 Author Share Posted April 9, 2005 [quote name='Melchisedec' date='Apr 9 2005, 02:51 PM'] Your argument is based on your worldview, so is mine. Its perfectly valid. You are entitled to your opinion, even if its based out of your own predjudices. [/quote] I'm not sure either of us have an argument. I was just asking some questions. I guess we're like children. One asks "why" too many times, so the other just says "because." Interesting to see that atheism is something you take on faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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