Do we have enough reason to believe in God?

[infinitelord1]

Atheists Vs. Theists

Let the games begin ladies and gentlemen!

[infinitelord1]

How do we proove the validity of things like the shroud of turin, noahs ark, and even the bible?

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='infinitelord1' date='Apr 14 2005, 10:34 PM'] Atheists Vs. Theists

Let the games begin ladies and gentlemen! [/quote]
lol

[Jaime]

[quote]Do we have enough reason to believe in God?[/quote]

Ahem....



Yes




WHOOOHOOO THEISTS WIN!!


(High fiving all theists)

Edited April 15, 2005 by jaime

[Jaime]

Oh wait.... is there going to be more to the debate than this?

[Archangel]

Don't forget about the alien overlords.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Apr 15 2005, 01:34 AM']
Ahem....



Yes




WHOOOHOOO THEISTS WIN!!


(High fiving all theists) [/quote]

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Short answer: If God doesn't exist, then neither do you.

[dspen2005]

well, reason only gets us so far. at the point that reason can no longer aid us in our understanding of God and Who He is, we must rely upon Faith. This is clearly outlined in JP2's Encyclical, Fides et Ratio, not to mention Aquinas' Summa

[Semalsia]

[quote name='hot stuff'] Oh wait.... is there going to be more to the debate than this?[/quote]

Well, I could argue against you:

No we don't.

[infinitelord1]

why should we exclusively follow a book written by many men?

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='infinitelord1' date='Apr 15 2005, 01:24 PM'] why should we exclusively follow a book written by many men? [/quote]
To answer your question some people believe these men were the messengers of god. Btw, have you read the bible completely? Just wondering.

[infinitelord1]

yes melchisedec, i have read the bible......these people were known as evangelists. I was just posting the same thing u said in the other arguement to see what these scholars had to say.

[Jaime]

I've read the bible a few times as well. I guess I wasn't keep up on the other thread.

Some don't like the bible because it was written by men?

[MC Just]

If God didnt Exist, there would be no Athiests. Wait did that come out right?...

Edited April 15, 2005 by MC Just

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Apr 15 2005, 03:52 PM'] If God didnt Exist, there would be no Athiests. [/quote]
If men didn't exist there would be no god

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Apr 15 2005, 03:53 PM'] If men didn't exist there would be no god [/quote]
Actually, in what you believe, yes there would be, but he/she/it would not be called 'god'

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Apr 15 2005, 04:53 PM'] If men didn't exist there would be no god [/quote]
"God creates dinosaurs.
God destroys dinosaurs.
God creates man.
Man destroys God.
Man creates dinosaurs." -Ian Malcom, Jurassic Park, followed closely by:

"Dinosaurs eat man.
Woman inherits the earth." -Dr. Ellie Sattler, Jurassic Park

Sorry...I just love that quote...

The fact of the matter is that MC Just is right...without God, there would be no atheists.

Melchisedec is wrong because if men were before God, then there would be no God ever, since God must come first.

[infinitelord1]

Melchisedec,


how do you propose the universe was created?

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Apr 15 2005, 04:01 PM'] Melchisedec is wrong because if men were before God, then there would be no God ever, since God must come first. [/quote]
You believe this because you will always presume that their has to be Yahweh.