Melchisedec Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 [quote name='MC Just' date='Apr 15 2005, 03:52 PM'] If God didnt Exist, there would be no Athiests. [/quote] If men didn't exist there would be no god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 [quote name='Melchisedec' date='Apr 15 2005, 03:53 PM'] If men didn't exist there would be no god [/quote] Actually, in what you believe, yes there would be, but he/she/it would not be called 'god' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 [quote name='Melchisedec' date='Apr 15 2005, 04:53 PM'] If men didn't exist there would be no god [/quote] "God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs." -Ian Malcom, Jurassic Park, followed closely by: "Dinosaurs eat man. Woman inherits the earth." -Dr. Ellie Sattler, Jurassic Park Sorry...I just love that quote... The fact of the matter is that MC Just is right...without God, there would be no atheists. Melchisedec is wrong because if men were before God, then there would be no God ever, since God must come first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted April 15, 2005 Author Share Posted April 15, 2005 Melchisedec, how do you propose the universe was created? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 [quote name='Raphael' date='Apr 15 2005, 04:01 PM'] Melchisedec is wrong because if men were before God, then there would be no God ever, since God must come first. [/quote] You believe this because you will always presume that their has to be Yahweh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 [quote name='Melchisedec' date='Apr 15 2005, 05:25 PM'] You believe this because you will always presume that their has to be Yahweh. [/quote] No, I believe this because as a categorical definition, God is eternal, and therefore, man, who is not eternal, could never create God, but only a concept of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Apr 15 2005, 04:11 PM'] Melchisedec, how do you propose the universe was created? [/quote] I don't have a theory because we don't know. You can choose whichever creation story you'd like, but it still doesn't prove it. Especially if you believe in the literal account of the bible, it simply does not hold up to scrutiny. Its a mystery and it remains one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 [quote name='Raphael' date='Apr 15 2005, 04:34 PM'] No, I believe this because as a categorical definition, God is eternal, and therefore, man, who is not eternal, could never create God, but only a concept of God. [/quote] For a theist maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 How can there be one definition for god considering there thousands of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semalsia Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 [quote name='Melchisedec']How can there be one definition for god considering there thousands of them.[/quote] Infinite and creator of everything? She's right, Mel, if God exists then it is necessary that God existed first before everything else. Otherwise God would not be creator of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 I think he meant man created the concept of a god. But Mel, without man, there would be some kind of creator, since you yourself said that you would accept the idea of something that somehow started the process of the universe. not necesarily a god in your eyes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 [quote name='Melchisedec' date='Apr 15 2005, 05:36 PM'] For a theist maybe. [/quote] How could anyone else's categorical definition for God not include the trait: eternal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 (edited) [quote name='fidei defensor' date='Apr 15 2005, 05:05 PM'] I think he meant man created the concept of a god. But Mel, without man, there would be some kind of creator, since you yourself said that you would accept the idea of something that somehow started the process of the universe. not necesarily a god in your eyes though. [/quote] Because I reserve my final judgement on a creator does not mean I believe in one and that there has to be one. Right now there is no evidence for a creator. But maybe in the future there might. I choose to reserve my final judgement on that. I think we have alot more work to do to uncover the nature of our universe. There is certainly alot to learn that could be definitive. We could very well answer the question conclusively and end the debate forever. But does Yahweh exist imo, certainly not and Yahweh is the god in which we speak of. Edited April 15, 2005 by Melchisedec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 [quote name='Raphael' date='Apr 15 2005, 05:14 PM'] How could anyone else's categorical definition for God not include the trait: eternal? [/quote] Gods born of other gods, gods that die. There are many gods who have characterisitic that defy your standards. These gods fit under the accepted definition of god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchisedec Posted April 15, 2005 Share Posted April 15, 2005 Btw, there is a show tonite about creationism on Infidelguy. You can stream it for free. 8pm EST, link below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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