ask da nun

[jezic]

and habits rock.

I am thinking that even if i am not religious i am going to pick one. Probably solid white nearly middle eastern like.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

I have a question.

Do you know Mother Angelica?

and I have one more.

Is it a challenge to be a nun?

and another.

Are a lot of Nuns giving up their habits?

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote] Rev,
Bishop Sam Jacobs of the diocese of Houma-Thibodaux
He is an awesome bishop, totally on fire for the Lord!!!![/quote]

I am in no way critizcing the Bishop but i have heard some stuff about him

[quote]The conference liturgies were Novus Ordo concelebrations with Bishop Sam
Jacobs, a to-the-bone charismatic prelate, as main celebrant.  Here too, the
scale of spirituality tipped toward Protestantism.  What took place after the
Gospel smacked more of an Amway motivational seminar than a Catholic homily.
The "Sunday Sermon" featured Bishop Jacobs prancing up and down the stage in
revivalist style, spewing a generous mouthful of "Amens" and encouraging
audience participation.

During this address, taking his cue from Our Lord's "Who do you say that I
am?" to Simon Peter, Bishop Jacobs screamed at the audience:  "WHO DO YOU SAY
THAT I AM?"
  Screaming crowd "JESUS!"
  Bishop Jacobs:  "WHO DO YOU SAY THAT I AM?"
  Crowd:  "JESUS!"
  Bishop Jacobs:  "WHO DO YOU SAY THAT I AM?"
  Crowd:  "JESUS!"7

  The homily was often interrupted by loud, stamping applause... mind you,
this was in the middle of Sunday Mass!  Homilies on other days were of
similar stripe.  It was heartbreaking to endure a Roman Catholic bishop
carrying on like some cheap imitation of Oral Roberts.[/quote]

[quote] For the most part, I find Charismatic leaders to be a cadre of very silly
men.  This impression was nowhere better confirmed than at this "ministry
session".  While Bleasdell was revving the crowd with cries of "Love and
dance before the Lord ... He longs to see it", priests and bishop(s) on a
crowded stage, including Father Scanlon, were having the time of their lives
and joined in the dancing.  7,500 Charismatics were treated to the spectacle
of Bishop Sam Jacobs joining arms with a woman (a plain-clothes nun, I think)
executing a rather clumsy series of moderate can-can kicks.  At one point,
Bleasdell was flanked by Bishop Jacobs on her right and what appeared to be
another bishop on her left engaging in full body dance, their pectoral
crosses bouncing to the rhythm, while smiling and waving at the audience.

The three of them together looked more like Diana Ross and the Supremes
than religious leaders.  It seems that the more our Church officials talk
of human dignity, the more they degrade ecclesiastical dignity.[/quote]

[Brother Adam]

You know, Jack Chick has a website setup detailing every mistake of every Catholic that he can come up with. I'm sure your help will be very welcome over there EENS

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

Mr. Adam,

Im sure Mr. Chick sees the Protesenataion of our Bishops as a good thing. I sir do not.

It is disgusting I want to Make Catholicism more Catholic not more protestant like Mr. Chick does.

[materdei]

[quote]I have a question.

Do you know Mother Angelica?

and I have one more.

Is it a challenge to be a nun?

and another.

Are a lot of Nuns giving up their habits[/quote]

Yes I have heard of Mother Angelica, though I have never met her. I am familiar with EWTN and the ways many Catholics and non-Catholics alike have been touched through her ministry.

Yes, being a nun can be challenging as can any vocation lived well. Being faithful to prayer, practicing virtue, and doing all that is necessary to strive toward sanctity is difficult. We cannot do this on our own we need the help of the Holy Spirit and the support of community (religious families and the larger Church) as well as the grace we receive through the sacraments and the life of the Church. Being challenged is a good thing without it we become spiritually flabby.

I wouldn't say that nuns are "giving up their habits" those not wearing habits gave them up long ago. Rather I would say nuns are returning to the habit. If not those that have left them, then those new communities that are springing up in the Church today.

[materdei]

[quote]I am in no way critizcing the Bishop but i have heard some stuff about him


QUOTE 
The conference liturgies were Novus Ordo concelebrations with Bishop Sam
Jacobs, a to-the-bone charismatic prelate, as main celebrant.  Here too, the
scale of spirituality tipped toward Protestantism.  What took place after the
Gospel smacked more of an Amway motivational seminar than a Catholic homily.
The "Sunday Sermon" featured Bishop Jacobs prancing up and down the stage in
revivalist style, spewing a generous mouthful of "Amens" and encouraging
audience participation.

During this address, taking his cue from Our Lord's "Who do you say that I
am?" to Simon Peter, Bishop Jacobs screamed at the audience:  "WHO DO YOU SAY
THAT I AM?"
  Screaming crowd "JESUS!"
  Bishop Jacobs:  "WHO DO YOU SAY THAT I AM?"
  Crowd:  "JESUS!"
  Bishop Jacobs:  "WHO DO YOU SAY THAT I AM?"
  Crowd:  "JESUS!"7

  The homily was often interrupted by loud, stamping applause... mind you,
this was in the middle of Sunday Mass!  Homilies on other days were of
similar stripe.  It was heartbreaking to endure a Roman Catholic bishop
carrying on like some cheap imitation of Oral Roberts.




QUOTE 
For the most part, I find Charismatic leaders to be a cadre of very silly
men.  This impression was nowhere better confirmed than at this "ministry
session".  While Bleasdell was revving the crowd with cries of "Love and
dance before the Lord ... He longs to see it", priests and bishop(s) on a
crowded stage, including Father Scanlon, were having the time of their lives
and joined in the dancing.  7,500 Charismatics were treated to the spectacle
of Bishop Sam Jacobs joining arms with a woman (a plain-clothes nun, I think)
executing a rather clumsy series of moderate can-can kicks.  At one point,
Bleasdell was flanked by Bishop Jacobs on her right and what appeared to be
another bishop on her left engaging in full body dance, their pectoral
crosses bouncing to the rhythm, while smiling and waving at the audience.

The three of them together looked more like Diana Ross and the Supremes
than religious leaders.  It seems that the more our Church officials talk
of human dignity, the more they degrade ecclesiastical dignity. [/quote]


Well, where to begin?! To be honest this is kind of an overwhelming question for me. I mean I love my Bishop!!! I never met a more kind, loving, all embracing, generous, transparent, Christ-like, merciful, on-fire for the Lord person EVER. I know that charismatics are the "red-headed step children" of the Church today and to be completely forthright I felt that way myself about them not too long ago. But my eyes and not to mention my heart has been opened to the truth that charismatics have been given a bad rap. First of all, We are the Catholic Church. and I am sure I don't need to tell you that Catholic means universal. We are a Church that embraces [b]All [/b]peoples, [b]All[/b] cultures, and a spectrum of spiritualities including "traditionalists" and charismatics. There are certain freedoms the Magisterium has given to the Church to encourage variety in its worship. This is because Holy Mother Church is wise in that she knows there is great variety in the human person and that all her children do not pray the same way. The Charismatic Renewal is an [u]accepted[/u] movement in the Church and therefore should be respected by other members of that Church even if they are not inclined to that mode of prayer or spirituality. There seems to be a huge misperception among the members of the Church who seem to think that charismatics are outside the Church and are schismatics or heretics and this simply is not true. The Magisterium has indicated her approval of charismatics on many occassions.

[quote]In 1975 Pope Paul VI greeted ten thousand Catholic charismatics from all over the world at the ninth international conference of the Renewal, “The Church and the world need more than ever that ‘the miracle of Pentecost should continue in history’ . . . How could this ‘spiritual renewal’ not be ‘good fortune’ for the Church and the world?” [others have translated “good fortune” as “a chance”]

Pope John Paul II has been an enthusiastic supporter of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. In 1979 soon after becoming Pope he said, “I am convinced that this movement is a sign of the Spirit’s action . . . a very important component in the total renewal of the Church.” He has met with the international leaders of the Renewal on a number of occasions, and regularly sends greetings to National and International Conferences on the Renewal.

As early as 1969, only two years after the Renewal started, the U.S. Bishops investigated the fledgling movement and the Committee on Doctrine wrote that “theologically the movement has legitimate reasons of existence. It has a strong biblical basis. It would be difficult to inhibit the working of the Spirit which manifested itself so abundantly in the early Church.”

Subsequent statements in 1975, 1984 and 1997 have been equally affirming.[/quote]

As far as Bishop Jacobs style of homilistics- he gives POWERFUL homilies. I must ask- when did saying AMEN become non-Catholic? and why is connecting with the congregation a bad thing? Mass is a family meal whereby we do not go to be talked [u]at [/u]but to be invited into participation. What is a homily for but to be instructed AND motivated.

I think it is important to say that you need to be careful about quoting things you cannot verify on an open forum especially about a bishop of the Church. I know this bishop personally and I can vouch that he is a very holy, faithfilled man who strives to be a good shepherd and I hate to see his actions mis-represented by those who do not know him or understand him.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

But some of the things he has been accused of are defenite Liturgical Abuses. What happened to the Dignity and the solemnity of the Mass? The Can-Can is a form of liturgical dance which is stricly forbiden in the mass, also i would think yelling screaming, and runngin all over the place dosen't show the respect for Christ in his own house.

[materdei]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='May 26 2005, 05:17 PM'] But some of the things he has been accused of are defenite Liturgical Abuses. What happened to the Dignity and the solemnity of the Mass? The Can-Can is a form of liturgical dance which is stricly forbiden in the mass, also i would think yelling screaming, and runngin all over the place dosen't show the respect for Christ in his own house. [/quote]
Did you personally witness this? You don't know if the bishop did the can-can at mass, the quote you posted didn't specifically state that. Also there is a big difference between yelling/screaming and speaking emphatically, trying to drive a point. Again I think you need to be careful about speaking about something you yourself didn't witness...it then becomes gossip and critical.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote]7,500 Charismatics were treated to the spectacle
of Bishop Sam Jacobs joining arms with a woman (a plain-clothes nun, I think)
executing a rather clumsy series of moderate can-can kicks.[/quote]

that is like saying what you read in the news is gossip. I am not accusing him of this but rather others have. I am just presenting it.

[materdei]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='May 26 2005, 08:20 PM']
that is like saying what you read in the news is gossip. I am not accusing him of this but rather others have. I am just presenting it. [/quote]
But was the can-can done at Mass? This is not specified. These quotes are speaking about a conference-was it before or after mass, maybe during praise and worship? Because that would make it extremely different. I find it hard to believe that Bishop Jacobs would be doing the Can-Can or any kind of liturgical dancing for that matter at a Mass when he has never allowed it in the Cathedral or our other parishes in our diocese.
Bishop Jacobs is highly respected within the Church by the faithful as well as by other bishops. The National Catholic Conference of Bishops has just named him head of the Committee of Evangelization for the US.

To be frank though I feel this dialogue is going no where. It seems to me you are not interested in seeing the good in Bishop Jacobs. I know him personally and you do not. I have tried to point out to you that you are slandering a bishop, and that you are gossiping, but this doesn't seem to move you. What you are saying is damaging to Bishop Jacobs reputation and your original sources were not even sited, therefore you are gossiping. I don't mean to be harsh, but I tried to point this out to you before.

[materdei]

[quote name='jezic' date='May 22 2005, 11:25 PM'] oh i have a question ....

do you get excited for prayer times in chapel?

Cause the way i think right now, i would have trouble staying out of that place. Eventually you just never want to leave so going back would be such a great joy.

*though honestly as a side note, this sort of plays into God's whole nature thing. Maybe i am over thinking it, but truely the Eucharist is special, thus a chapel where it is reserved is also very "special". However, God is equally present in all of creation by his very nature and so you can't ever really be "closer" or "father away" then you are right now. hmm.. that makes a conundrum.

more thoughts later but i feel like i am thinking outloud .... oh wiat, i am doing that * [/quote]
That is cool that you get so excited about prayer! Especially prayer before the Blessed Sacrament. I think it is one of the greatest blessings in Religious life-to live in the same house as Jesus, and to be able to go and see Him whenever. He is soooo good to us!

[jezic]

one note: A wise saint once said NEVER criticize bishops or priests. They are Christ's representatives on earth. If you are wrong then you are judging Jesus. Bad stuff.

Pray for them so that their eyes might be opened.

[Guest little heart]

+JMJ+

A word from a Saint:

St Francis was said to have been in the presence of an angel, and a "known sinner" preist. At the sight of the two the saint fell on his knee and kissed the hands of the Priest.

little heart

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

I never caimed that any of this was true. Just wanted to see if you thought so...

i sense anger and that can only lead to the dark side!

[Guest Eremite]

Materdei,

Do you know anything about third order lay people? Are they considered actual members of the religious orders? I'm thinking about joining the third order carmelites. I read it is a vocation in itself...

[Guest little heart]

[quote name='Eremite' date='May 27 2005, 09:31 PM'] Materdei,

Do you know anything about third order lay people? Are they considered actual members of the religious orders? I'm thinking about joining the third order carmelites. I read it is a vocation in itself... [/quote]
Third Orders are lay people who are associated with a religious institute, sharing in their spirit. They live a secular lifestyle while leading an apostolic life, and striving for Christian perfection under the direction of the religious institute. They may share in the institutes spiritual life and its apostolate. (Code of Canon Law, 303-311)
I don't believe they are considered "members" of the religious institute, though they would belong to the particular spiritual family (for example carmelite, franciscan, dominican, etc.)
The term "order" delineates how you are connected to a larger Order (family)
Priests and brothers are 1st Order, women religious are 2nd Order, and laity are 3rd Order. I have never heard of a 3rd Order being considered a vocation of itself, rather it is an aid to live out the secular vocation through community, spirituality, and apostolate.

[materdei]

Sorry, I was logged in another a different user. Little heart is a member of my community. The above was from me.

[materdei]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='May 27 2005, 08:59 PM'] I never caimed that any of this was true. Just wanted to see if you thought so...

i sense anger and that can only lead to the dark side! [/quote]
EENS,
There is such a thing called holy anger. An example of it would be when Jesus grew angry in the temple. Righteous anger is allowable when it is not done in hatred and it is for the good of anothers' soul as in pointing out a wrong done toward God, the Church, or God's creation.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='May 23 2005, 06:47 PM'] I have a question.

Do you know Mother Angelica?
[/quote]
I know Mother Angelica