How do we know...

[Brother Adam]

Maybe there were men in the first century that grabbed the Bible and ran into the woods away from the Christian Church which immediately became curropt and turned into Catholicism? And they hid for 1600 years until the inspiring Luther and Calvin and Zwingli helped them out of the woods.

[qfnol31]

What would that say about people such as Clement or Linus who learned from the Apostles?

[Brother Adam]

They would say it the Church became curropt slowly and maintained some truth for a few years.

[qfnol31]

Well, for starters, how could this tiny little community separated from everyone be insured of correctness?

Also, aren't they missing a part of the Gospel, something about spreading the same Gospel to all the world?

[Brother Adam]

They were, in an underground movement, but were persecuted by the curropt Chrisitans.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

We don't like thems Mormon conspiracy theories round these parts

[Brother Adam]

Not mormon, Waldenese. And this IS a debate table. You are just afraid you are wrong.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jul 7 2005, 11:01 AM']Not mormon, Waldenese. And this IS a debate table. You are just afraid you are wrong.
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I was just kidding.

The fact of the matter is that there is no evidence to prove that position and so it's not rational to believe it when we do have another answer which is rational.

[Brother Adam]

See you have no evidence so you just through the "no you have no evidence" argument out there. For shame! Oh the humanity!

Remember all of those early paintings by Christians we found in caves? Where do you think those came from. Nana

[StColette]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jul 7 2005, 10:04 AM']See you have no evidence so you just through the "no you have no evidence" argument out there. For shame! Oh the humanity!

Remember all of those early paintings by Christians we found in caves? Where do you think those came from. Nana
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hehe the Paintings in the Catacombs

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jul 7 2005, 11:04 AM']See you have no evidence so you just through the "no you have no evidence" argument out there. For shame! Oh the humanity!

Remember all of those early paintings by Christians we found in caves? Where do you think those came from. Nana
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Desert fathers and monks.

[Brother Adam]

Yep, those were the poor, poor Waldenese hiding from the crazy early Christians

[Brother Adam]

And another thing, the priesthood has ended. None of the apostles considered themselves priests.





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[StColette]

Okay I'm probably gonna get this terribly wrong but lol I don't mind

If the early Christian Church was a corrupt Church. Then why has it survived this long ? I mean it has had some really bad years throughout history but it has never once fallen, which would fit the description of the Bible verse saying that it shall not fall.

Also if these other people had the real Truth then weren't they supposed to spread it at all costs according to the Bible. The Gospel Truth was to be spread no matter what and people had the responsibility of correcting others.

Also do you think miracles would occur in a corrupt Church ? How would you explain Apparitions, Eucharistics Miracles, healings, etc. Not sure if God would allow such things to occur within a Church that had been corrupted and teaching HIs Word incorrectly.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jul 7 2005, 11:08 AM']And another thing, the priesthood has ended. None of the apostles considered themselves priests.
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Sure they did. Priest is from the German for the word "prebyter"...try disputing that that's in the Bible.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jul 7 2005, 11:07 AM']Yep, those were the poor, poor Waldenese hiding from the crazy early Christians
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Smoke and mirrors, Adam.

Why all the smoke and mirrors?

I sense this is building up to a point on smoke and mirrors.

[MC Just]

this is amazingly hilarious.

[Brother Adam]

St. Colette,

The early Church survived like it did persecuting and killing off the real Christians..

They did spread the words of the Bible at all costs, and were murdered for it.

I could explain the appiritions and such as being from a guy who runs around parading as an angel of light.


Micah, no smoke and mirrors, just arguing for the sake of it. Keeping everyone fine tuned in apologetics.

[StColette]

lol well I tried lol

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jul 7 2005, 11:18 AM']St. Colette,

The early Church survived like it did persecuting and killing off the real Christians..

They did spread the words of the Bible at all costs, and were murdered for it.

I could explain the appiritions and such as being from a guy who runs around parading as an angel of light.
Micah, no smoke and mirrors, just arguing for the sake of it. Keeping everyone fine tuned in apologetics.
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But your position is a self-supporting fallacy...I can point out that it's not rational to give it any credence, since it bases itself off of what is not present on the evidence table, rather than what is present, and draws wild conclusions, but then you'll just say that all my evidence of the truth of Catholicism is really just proof of your argument, stolen by the Catholic Church to make itself look legit.