I wanna get drunk

[Guest Wallyiii]

Couple of things:

1). Alchohol works on the part of the brain that allows us to excercise self-restraint. So with that gone, who knows what other little deamons are running around inside us. That's why sometimes the morning after is not just painful, but embarrassing.


2). Many times we're doing this to feel better or forget(or ignore) something. This can become a bad habit. e.g. you come home at the end of the day and you don't feel like facing the work at home. A couple of stiff ones and your off to your own little playland (ignoring all those others that need the service of Christ ). The more we do this the harder it is to face reality.

Well that's enough preaching.

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[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Jul 18 2005, 03:32 PM']bah, that's just because of the puritan culture that's developed here.  kids should grow up drinking alchohol... Jesus did, most kids in Europe do... it's unjust to have any drinking age at all- the drinking age itself is the cause of people drinking irresponsibly.  but yeah, that's our messed up culture for you... it's because it's built upon the sand of protestantism.

taste changes as you get older only because we've unwisely structured our culture that way
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Wise words my friend. hehe

[Laudate_Dominum]

Countless things have negative effects when done in excess; this has been mentioned before but it's key. Food, water, aspirin, coffee, and too many more to list.
The typical reply would be to point out the 'utility value' of these other examples (and most examples have a certain utility value so the objection seems to be good at first), but the fact is, modern people tend to be conditioned by a kind of pragmatism and utilitarism, whereas a truly Catholic vision of life appreciates the value of leisure for it's own sake. It's sort of the difference between the mentality in which meals are eaten as a family and are basically the highlight of the day, verses the fast food, drive through, and microwave meal mentality. The value of beer and wine, and things of that sort are, for the most part, grounded in that which is most truly human in life.

It is the puritan who denied the value of life's simple pleasures and demonizes them. Whereas the Catholic gives thanks to God and uses them virtuously. I can't imagine a wedding reception without wine, or hanging out with 'the boys' and not having some beer in the fridge.

[curtins]

I think wilfull drunkenness is a mortal sin

but ill still sing-

"ohhh we'll drink an drink an drink an drink an drink an drink and fight HEY!
drink an drink an drink an drink an drink an drink and fight HEY!"

-dkm

everyone to the bar!!!!

dont call me rich dont call me george just call me cheez thats who I am
dont call me rich dont call me george just call me cheez thats who I am
dont call me rich dont call me george just call me cheez thats who I am
dont call me rich dont call me george just call me cheez thats who I am
not rich not george just cheez

he'll show you his cheez tattoo- always drunk going crazy you better beleive it!

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='curtins' date='Jul 18 2005, 04:09 PM']I think wilfull drunkenness is a mortal sin
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It turns out Aquinas agrees with you. St. Paul bashes it pretty hard too. But I still think there is a level of intoxication that is cool. It's just when you start to loose control of your faculties that it becomes messed up. And I suppose some people have a weakness and probably shouldn't flirt with alchohol because they would probably just end up getting drunk.

Since my conversion many years back I've been drunk maybe twice, and I wasn't even totally drunk, just real tipsy. I still had my faculties. Actually one time was at a philosophy discussion group and I was even better at philosophy with a bit of liquor in my system! :-)

And I swear I play Irish music better when I'm just a tad liquored. hehe

[*lil girl 4 jesus*]

i consider my self lucky i hav'nt tried beer or any alcohol yet, cuz i would most likely become a drinker because of two main factors:

1) my father was an alcholic and i never want to become addictad

2) my family history goes back to the 2 countrys full of heavy drinking, Russia, and Ireland,lol

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='*lil girl 4 jesus*' date='Jul 18 2005, 05:19 PM']i consider my self lucky i  hav'nt tried beer or any alcohol yet, cuz i would most likely become a drinker because  of two main factors:

1) my father was an alcholic  and i never want to become addictad

2) my family history goes back to the 2 countrys full of heavy drinking, Russia, and Ireland,lol
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You are obviously wiser than myself. There are alchoholics in my family (including my father), but I believe in mind over matter. j/k, I'm just yet to be convinced of the genetic predisposition to alchoholism. I believe in personalities with a propensity toward addiction in general, but I don't know about some specifically alchoholic gene or something.

And the alchoholics I've know are totally compulsive about it, whereas I'm not. My one friend could not have a sip of beer without just going all out and getting drunk. I almost never feel tempted to actually get drunk. Usually if I start 'feeling' the alchohol if you know what I mean, I actually loose interest in drinking.

But I commend you for your maturity and good sense. :-)

[curtins]

having alchahol in ur system which may make u relaxed or more comfortable etc is not the same as being drunk

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='curtins' date='Jul 18 2005, 05:49 PM']having alchahol in ur system which may make u relaxed or more comfortable etc is not the same as being drunk
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Amen. Yeah, I don't think I've been totally drunk at all since my conversion, but I can think of two times when I came close. :-)

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Jul 18 2005, 06:31 PM']You are obviously wiser than myself. There are alchoholics in my family (including my father), but I believe in mind over matter. j/k, I'm just yet to be convinced of the genetic predisposition to alchoholism. I believe in personalities with a propensity toward addiction in general, but I don't know about some specifically alchoholic gene or something.

And the alchoholics I've know are totally compulsive about it, whereas I'm not. My one friend could not have a sip of beer without just going all out and getting drunk. I almost never feel tempted to actually get drunk. Usually if I start 'feeling' the alchohol if you know what I mean, I actually loose interest in drinking.

But I commend you for your maturity and good sense. :-)
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I have to agree with the skeptical approach to "genetic alcoholism." There are alcoholics on my father's side of the family and I don't let that rule over whether or not I have a drink, though I will think of it and be cautious enough not to become like them (was that totally confusing?). In fact most nights this past week I have made some frozen alcoholic drink of some form or other (margaritas, daiquiris, etc.) but we really only have had one or two each, I sometimes will have a bit more than Matt because, well, I have a higher tolerance and I can't bear to pour the left over down the drain. I have yet to even get a big buzz off it though, so I think I'm safe.

[Laudate_Dominum]

Yeah, we are bombarded with so much nonsense propaganda, I tend to be skeptical toward phishy statements regarding controversial subjects. If there are people lobbying against it, there is a good chance there are people doing everything they can to spread propaganda about it.
I was reading yesterday about how fish love and are intelligent, and even use tools!! Therefore we shouldn't eat fish, they are just like us.. It takes some serious propaganda to convince people of that nonsense, but they actually succeed. My favourite part is that one tract would make you love fish as if they were your family member, and another tract would talk about how filthy and repulsive fish are, making them sound like they are poisonous to make you never want to eat fish again.

Are they cute and fluffy, or filthy and disgusting? As long as you go with their agenda of not eating fish I doubt they care what you think.

[IcePrincessKRS]

Ya know, I have a 20 gallon fish tank and I don't seen any tools floating around in there. In fact, I'm willing to bet if I tossed in a tiny screw driver the only thing they'd try to do is eat it.

[bx_racer]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Jul 18 2005, 02:32 PM']bah, that's just because of the puritan culture that's developed here.  kids should grow up drinking alchohol... Jesus did, most kids in Europe do... it's unjust to have any drinking age at all- the drinking age itself is the cause of people drinking irresponsibly.  but yeah, that's our messed up culture for you... it's because it's built upon the sand of protestantism.

taste changes as you get older only because we've unwisely structured our culture that way
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1. so the drinking age isn't morally binding?

2. drunkness = u dont remember anything or pass out right?

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='bx_racer' date='Jul 18 2005, 08:30 PM']
2. drunkness = u dont remember anything or pass out right?
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Wrong. If you look back at some of the other posts in this thread you'll see that drunkenness begins when you begin to lose control of your faculties, ability to reason, etc. (I am sure someone else will better explain it than I can). Not being able to remember, passing out, or getting sick is when you crossed the line into "drunk" quite a few drinks ago.

[Ash Wednesday]

Oh, and one more warning: too much alcohol can make you fat.

I just realized how strange I must seem giving warnings about the pitfalls of booze. Look at my avatar.

:haha:



Papa Ratzi's always been a disciplined gentleman, though.