Didacus Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 The Energy Crunch To Come By Michael T. Klare Data released annually at this time ... [url="http://www.motherjones.com/news/dailymojo/2005/03/energy_crunch.html"]http://www.motherjones.com/news/dailymojo/...rgy_crunch.html[/url] Many experts claim we are experiencing the end of an era - the oil era. this, many say, is a catastrophic event because there is no 'new evnergy era' to go to. We will have no choice in the near future to return to the coal age with drastic consequences. Energy is the most important ressource to human biological survival, and oil, being the greatest energy ressource available to humanity, ahs become indispensable to the point that without it, some estimate that HALF the human population of 6 billion would starve to death within a year! just wondering... has any of you out there heard about this? Has anyone given it any kind of thought?
StColette Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 hmm haven't heard anything about this I have heard that the US reserve of oil could run the country for about 100 yrs
philothea Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 21 2005, 01:02 PM']The Energy Crunch To Come By Michael T. Klare Data released annually at this time ... [url="http://www.motherjones.com/news/dailymojo/2005/03/energy_crunch.html"]http://www.motherjones.com/news/dailymojo/...rgy_crunch.html[/url] Many experts claim we are experiencing the end of an era - the oil era. this, many say, is a catastrophic event because there is no 'new evnergy era' to go to. We will have no choice in the near future to return to the coal age with drastic consequences. Energy is the most important ressource to human biological survival, and oil, being the greatest energy ressource available to humanity, ahs become indispensable to the point that without it, some estimate that HALF the human population of 6 billion would starve to death within a year! just wondering... has any of you out there heard about this? Has anyone given it any kind of thought? [right][snapback]652732[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I've heard of it. At the very least, oil / energy / gasoline are going to become much more expensive. China's demand has already nearly doubled the price of gasoline from ~10 years ago. It's a finite resource. Unfortunately, there's no easy replacement for oil, and no economic drive to discover possible non-easy replacements. OTOH, your source is probably a bit more alarmist than necessary. People have been saying this for decades, and new oil reserves keep being found. Edited July 21, 2005 by philothea
Old_Joe Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 I've heard of it. Estimates vary on amount of oil we have left at our disposal.
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 I've heard of this off and on over the years, with different figures about when it will run out.I don't know how true it is. I've heard figures as low as 30 years, but I wonder if they are basing it just off of existing oil supplies and not taking into account that people are still finding new oil reserves in places. I'm sure there is still tons of oil availble in more remote places, like maybe under the ocean or in antarctica. The price of oil may go up considerably in the future (I'm sure it will), but this will probably just stimulate a gradual conversion to other fuel sources so that by the time oil does run out, we will be ready for it. Just a theory though. I don't really know too much about it.
Didacus Posted July 21, 2005 Author Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='StColette' date='Jul 21 2005, 01:05 PM']hmm haven't heard anything about this I have heard that the US reserve of oil could run the country for about 100 yrs [right][snapback]652739[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [url="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html\\"]http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html\\[/url] Oil production in the US has peaked in the late 70s and its porven oil reserves in the most optimistic ranges would provide oil for the US for a single year alone (reserves and annual consumption ranges just above 20 billion barrels). The US imports near 50% of its oil needs, this is the ONE MAJOR reason for the US deficit AND the fall of the US dollar on the global market.
StColette Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 21 2005, 02:07 PM'][url="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html\\"]http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html\\[/url] Oil production in the US has peaked in the late 70s and its porven oil reserves in the most optimistic ranges would provide oil for the US for a single year alone (reserves and annual consumption ranges just above 20 billion barrels). The US imports near 50% of its oil needs, this is the ONE MAJOR reason for the US deficit AND the fall of the US dollar on the global market. [right][snapback]652845[/snapback][/right] [/quote] guess I shouldn't trust my military sourses lol
Didacus Posted July 21, 2005 Author Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='StColette' date='Jul 21 2005, 02:08 PM']guess I shouldn't trust my military sourses lol [right][snapback]652847[/snapback][/right] [/quote] LOL You might have heard of the emergency oil reserves of the US: enough oil to supply the US for about a month. It is useful as an emergency for war times and to try and balance the economy only.
Socrates Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 Some time last year, there was thbis population-control debate, where this pro-population control person kept arguing from some "Peak Oil" website. Seems to me it is an argument used to promote lowering the human population (not enough oil - let's kill more babies!) Mother Jones is a very Left-wing mag. These arguments ignore human ingenuity, and push for radical "population control" as the only solution. They've got a bad political agenda.
StColette Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 21 2005, 02:10 PM']LOL You might have heard of the emergency oil reserves of the US: enough oil to supply the US for about a month. It is useful as an emergency for war times and to try and balance the economy only. [right][snapback]652851[/snapback][/right] [/quote] nope not for a month lol I've heard 100 yrs from 3 military folks lol
Didacus Posted July 21, 2005 Author Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Jul 21 2005, 02:05 PM']I've heard of this off and on over the years, with different figures about when it will run out.I don't know how true it is. I've heard figures as low as 30 years, but I wonder if they are basing it just off of existing oil supplies and not taking into account that people are still finding new oil reserves in [snip] [right][snapback]652842[/snapback][/right] [/quote] 30 years is a very optimistic figure. The real question is not when wil loil run out, it is 'when will oil production peak'. At the point of the peak, the oil prices will raise constantly without ever dropping thereafter. Imagine having to pay twice the amount you are currently paying for gas? What would this do to your monthly budget? And as oil prices rise, the price of EVERYTHING rises, bexause everything in our modern world is somehow connected to oil (food is delivered by trucks, large sums of power is still generated by burning oil, industry itself runs on oil as a primary source of energy).
StColette Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 guess I'll have to break out the bike and start choppin up some firewood
Didacus Posted July 21, 2005 Author Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jul 21 2005, 02:11 PM']Some time last year, there was thbis population-control debate, where this pro-population control person kept arguing from some "Peak Oil" website. Seems to me it is an argument used to promote lowering the human population (not enough oil - let's kill more babies!) Mother Jones is a very Left-wing mag. These arguments ignore human ingenuity, and push for radical "population control" as the only solution. They've got a bad political agenda. [right][snapback]652853[/snapback][/right] [/quote] This political agenda is very different than any other political agenda. It is based on HARD facts, and scientific basis that cannot be argued against. Oil WILL run out, and there exists absolutely no viable energy source to replace it. This spells very hard times to come no matter how you genuinely way things from an educated perspective.
philothea Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 21 2005, 02:07 PM'][url="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html\\"]http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html\\[/url] Oil production in the US has peaked in the late 70s and its porven oil reserves in the most optimistic ranges would provide oil for the US for a single year alone (reserves and annual consumption ranges just above 20 billion barrels). The US imports near 50% of its oil needs, this is the ONE MAJOR reason for the US deficit AND the fall of the US dollar on the global market. [right][snapback]652845[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I saw a plan in [i]Fortune[/i] magazine on how to convert the whole US to domestic oil use only. It would have taken about 10 years, and it would have spurred the economy greatly. I don't believe anyone with the power to change things was interested in it, though.
Socrates Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 21 2005, 02:21 PM']This political agenda is very different than any other political agenda. It is based on HARD facts, and scientific basis that cannot be argued against. Oil WILL run out, and there exists absolutely no viable energy source to replace it. This spells very hard times to come no matter how you genuinely way things from an educated perspective. [right][snapback]652879[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Are you saying you buy into this? I thought you were Catholic.
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 21 2005, 02:15 PM']30 years is a very optimistic figure. The real question is not when wil loil run out, it is 'when will oil production peak'. At the point of the peak, the oil prices will raise constantly without ever dropping thereafter. Imagine having to pay twice the amount you are currently paying for gas? What would this do to your monthly budget? And as oil prices rise, the price of EVERYTHING rises, bexause everything in our modern world is somehow connected to oil (food is delivered by trucks, large sums of power is still generated by burning oil, industry itself runs on oil as a primary source of energy). [right][snapback]652862[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That smells of elderberries.. I want to buy some land and horses and things and just stay there for the rest of my life. I don't need electricity or anything of that. McNab style.
philothea Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jul 21 2005, 02:25 PM']Are you saying you buy into this? I thought you were Catholic. [right][snapback]652887[/snapback][/right] [/quote] How does belief the possiblilty of oil running out = non Catholic? Did I miss the fossil fuel part of the creed? "Oil without end, amen..."
Didacus Posted July 21, 2005 Author Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jul 21 2005, 02:25 PM']Are you saying you buy into this? I thought you were Catholic. [right][snapback]652887[/snapback][/right] [/quote] How is 'buying into this' make me non-catholic? I would not say that I 'buy' into it, but I do lack arguments to say that trouble isn't stirring in the near future. One of my friends is the one who put in onto this, and he is a bit of a 'doomsday' evangelist if you will. I have been arguing with him for some time but for the love of me cannot prove him wrong. Reminder: I am an engineer. I know very well the insides of North American industry and power, enough to claim myself as a knowledgeable person in this field. I am not just blowing hot air here...
StColette Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Jul 21 2005, 02:29 PM']That smells of elderberries.. I want to buy some land and horses and things and just stay there for the rest of my life. I don't need electricity or anything of that. McNab style. [right][snapback]652893[/snapback][/right] [/quote] lol you sound just like my dad
Socrates Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 [quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 21 2005, 02:30 PM']How is 'buying into this' make me non-catholic? I would not say that I 'buy' into it, but I do lack arguments to say that trouble isn't stirring in the near future. One of my friends is the one who put in onto this, and he is a bit of a 'doomsday' evangelist if you will. I have been arguing with him for some time but for the love of me cannot prove him wrong. Reminder: I am an engineer. I know very well the insides of North American industry and power, enough to claim myself as a knowledgeable person in this field. I am not just blowing hot air here... [right][snapback]652897[/snapback][/right] [/quote] From what I know of them, the Peak Oil people agressively push population control measures. Rather than urge developing new technology, etc., they see increased abortion and contraception as the only "solution."
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