PEAK OIL

[CadorBolin]

[quote name='argent_paladin' date='Jul 22 2005, 05:59 AM']The population doubled from 1960 to today and still we are wealthier and healthier since then. [/quote]

Really... why are two incomes needed in a household today in order to sustain the same lifestyle that was able to a single-income home from 1960?

And we don't need no new immigrants. If there is a labor shortage, why does Europe have a high unemployment rate? Multiculturalism only works when everyone's bellies are full. When people don't have jobs, they will look for scapegoats and the race wars will come.

[CadorBolin]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 21 2005, 04:13 PM']Although I do agree with some of the things you mention I see your outlook as bing most pessimistic.  However, although I cannot argue that oil running out will be an event of biblical proportion I can argue that it will not be a brick wall hitting us overnight.[/quote]

They said the same thing about those pessimists who were warning of a major terrorist attack before 9/11. "Welcome to my world..."

[quote]I do not partake too much into 'die-off' theories for the exception of considerations towards world war of sorts.  If such be the case, then oil would only be an element of societie's fall and not the main instigator or crutch of survival.
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A war with massive casualties is DIE OFF. 40 million aborted children is another form of die off. Lower fertility--same thing. People dying of communicable diseases because the anti-biotics have stopped working--die off.

If the food supply is cut off or diminished, we won't be seeing people dying of starvation peacefully--there will be violence everywhere and the pagan ethic of "might makes right" will make a big comeback. So did these people die of violence or starvation? The root cause is for lack of food, or if you look even deeper, the food distribution network was disrupted by high oil prices (truckers going on strike, fertilizer too expensive, etc).

We are squabbling over minute differences over cause and effect here anyhow. The real root cause of these problems is that we exceeded the Earth's carrying capacity because of our consumer-minded culture. There are too many humans competing for diminishing resources.

I foresee a return to the days of working to the sweat of our brows (I'd find the quote in Genesis, but you know what I mean). Unfortunately, hand and tool farming will not sustain the world's population of 6.3 billion people.

[CadorBolin]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 22 2005, 07:38 AM']The world consumes 80+ million barrels of oil per day.  So fragile is the price of oil and fervant its demand, that if you removed only 1 million barrel of that availability, and supply to the world only 79 million barrels per day, then the prices would soar to 200 or 300$ per barrel.  Gas would be 7-8$ per gallon at the pump.
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This is an excellent analogy, despite our differences in regards to the impact of resource depletion on our society.

[Didacus]

Cador,

Food supply needs not even diminish for trouble to hit, simply cut a supply line or two...

What you describe as die-off seems to fall right into the liberal agenda, would you consider promoting homosexuality as part of die-off as well? (what you described is much like the culture of death, which homosexuality is considered a memeber)

And just out of curiosity, are you Christian? Are you Jewish, protestant, Catholic?

[Didacus]

[quote name='CadorBolin' date='Jul 22 2005, 10:56 AM']They said the same thing about those pessimists who were warning of a major terrorist attack before 9/11.  "Welcome to my world..."
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I think I've heard that one before somewhere.

Thanks for the welcome... pretty dark and gloomy in your world, maybe you should light a candle or something... :

[CadorBolin]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 22 2005, 11:06 AM']What you describe as die-off seems to fall right into the liberal agenda, would you consider promoting homosexuality as part of die-off as well?  (what you described is much like the culture of death, which homosexuality is considered a memeber)
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Yes. All of these things are the symptoms of a dying society.

[quote]And just out of curiosity, are you Christian?  Are you Jewish, protestant, Catholic?
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Would you believe.... that I am a lapsed atheist?

[Didacus]

[quote name='CadorBolin' date='Jul 22 2005, 11:23 AM']Yes.  All of these things are the symptoms of a dying society.
Would you believe.... that I am a lapsed atheist?
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If you could tell me waht the F*** a lapsed atheist is?!?!?

What do you think are the three main recent symptoms proving the pending peak oil drisis?

Mine are:

-Contnuing raising of oil prices - being prety constant for the last 5 years

-Cantarel (the mexican giant oil field) officially going into decline (80% of all oil reserves come from giant oil fields, some 9-10 in total, and Canterel was number 2, Ghawar and ther mother of all oil fields, in Saudi Arabia, has unofficially begun its decline a few years ago)

-the splurt towards natural gas (almost every industrialised nation is expanding theirr natural gas network considerably, yet the world dependance on oil persists in increasing)

[Didacus]

[quote name='CadorBolin' date='Jul 22 2005, 10:46 AM']Really... why are two incomes needed in a household today in order to sustain the same lifestyle that was able to a single-income home from 1960?

And we don't need no new immigrants.  If there is a labor shortage, why does Europe have a high unemployment rate?  Multiculturalism only works when everyone's bellies are full.  When people don't have jobs, they will look for scapegoats and the race wars will come.
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i fulheartidly agre with Cador on this one. It is obvious to most who have worked in industry for any number of years that things are much tougher, and living expenses much more difficult today than it was 20 or 30 years ago.

In the early 70s, one could get fired in the morning and find a new job in the afternoon. These days and since the late 90s, one who got laid off or fired could go months, if not years wihtout new employment.

Wages, when factoring in inflation, have diminished in the last decades as well (if you factor in price of food and other factors that as of 5-6 years ago where removed from the equation of the national (US) inflation)