Chris of Zewe Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 Okay...here's a thought... If I were to die today, by your standards, I would writhe in Hell (Hell is brimstone and fire, not seperation from God) for all eternity. I have been on this earth for 17 years. So based on my decisions over the course of said 17 years, your God would choose to condemn me to eternal pain and suffering. How does that make any sense? You know...at all. Or anyone, for that matter, who goes to Hell? Even if someone lives to be 90, why is it that choices made over the course of 90 years, or even a single month, can lead to eternal anguish?
homeschoolmom Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 We never say that anyone is for sure condemned to hell. That's for God to decide.
Chris of Zewe Posted September 17, 2005 Author Posted September 17, 2005 But it's rather clear that I would. Don't use lame excuses like that.
homeschoolmom Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 03:48 PM']But it's rather clear that I would. Don't use lame excuses like that. [right][snapback]727265[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You are images on a computer screen to me. I know nothing more about you. Have a nice day.
Brother Adam Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 Yes, separation from God is a valid answer. You (obviously) reject God. Why on earth would you want to spend eternity with Him? So...don't.
Benedict Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 02:46 PM']If I were to die today, by your standards, I would writhe in Hell (Hell is brimstone and fire, not seperation from God) for all eternity.[/quote] Hell is not brimstone and fire in Catholicism. It is separation from God. And David the Gnome rocks.
Noel's angel Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 God doesn't choose to condemn people to Hell, He wants to have people in Heaven who truely love Him. If we decide that we love ourselves and this world more than Him, then we are showing that we do not love Him and do not want to spend eternity with Him.
Socrates Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 [quote name='Benedict' date='Sep 17 2005, 03:55 PM']Hell is not brimstone and fire in Catholicism. It is separation from God. And David the Gnome rocks. [right][snapback]727285[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Are you sure he's a gnome? Looks more like a troll to me.
Chris of Zewe Posted September 17, 2005 Author Posted September 17, 2005 I'd rather not spend eternity conscious, period. Permanent, unending coherent thought is the greatest punishment I can think of, be it in Heaven grovelling forever, or in Hell burning. [quote]Yes, separation from God is a valid answer. You (obviously) reject God. Why on earth would you want to spend eternity with Him? So...don't.[/quote] You're telling me that I'll be able to exist relatively normally and go on living, just without interference from your God, if I go to Hell? If that's the case, I'll seriously considering converting to Catholicism, sans worship. And yes, David the Gnome is my reason to be.
Chris of Zewe Posted September 17, 2005 Author Posted September 17, 2005 [quote]God doesn't choose to condemn people to Hell, He wants to have people in Heaven who truely love Him. If we decide that we love ourselves and this world more than Him, then we are showing that we do not love Him and do not want to spend eternity with Him.[/quote] Our lifespans, when compared to eternity, hardly seem like a valid basis to judge us on.
Socrates Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 03:58 PM']Permanent, unending coherent thought is the greatest punishment I can think of[right][snapback]727298[/snapback][/right] [/quote] LOL - Indeed! But what would you know about coherent thought, unending or otherwise? :
Benedict Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 02:58 PM']I'd rather not spend eternity conscious, period. Permanent, unending coherent thought is the greatest punishment I can think of, be it in Heaven grovelling forever, or in Hell burning. . . . You're telling me that I'll be able to exist relatively normally and go on living, just without interference from your God, if I go to Hell?[/quote] No one said anything about living or normality. Existence, yes. Have you seen David the Gnome in the original German?
Brother Adam Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 04:58 PM']I'd rather not spend eternity conscious, period. Permanent, unending coherent thought is the greatest punishment I can think of, be it in Heaven grovelling forever, or in Hell burning. You're telling me that I'll be able to exist relatively normally and go on living, just without interference from your God, if I go to Hell? If that's the case, I'll seriously considering converting to Catholicism, sans worship. And yes, David the Gnome is my reason to be. [right][snapback]727298[/snapback][/right] [/quote] realitively normal? No. But you are correct that you won't have any 'interferance' from God when you are in hell.
Chris of Zewe Posted September 17, 2005 Author Posted September 17, 2005 [quote]LOL - Indeed! But what would you know about coherent thought, unending or otherwise?[/quote] LOL YOU SMELL. I can post senseless ad hominems too, hun. [quote]No one said anything about living or normality. Existence, yes.[/quote] Elaborate upon this existence. I'm interested now. And no, I wasn't even aware that it was a German show. I just remember watching it sometimes when I was a whee lad.
Semalsia Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe']Elaborate upon this existence. I'm interested now.[/quote] I suppose the point is that God is the source of all things good. Since there is no God in Hell, all the things you enjoyed, loved, liked and thought was good would not be there. Thus, in Hell you would exist in a state of permanent agony due to knowing what you miss.
Chris of Zewe Posted September 17, 2005 Author Posted September 17, 2005 But what if I enjoy both ultraviolence and tender love and absolute indifference? What will be in Hell? A zebra?
toledo_jesus Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 there's always ignorance of the truth as a mitigating circumstance...but you don't seem ignorant. So, making a choice to reject God would probably send you to Hell. God doesn't send people to Hell. People send themselves, by their choices.
Chris of Zewe Posted September 17, 2005 Author Posted September 17, 2005 As I said, though, why should my choices during my short life on earth be used to determine where I spend eternity?
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 04:42 PM']As I said, though, why should my choices during my short life on earth be used to determine where I spend eternity? [right][snapback]727381[/snapback][/right] [/quote] i think the question is why not?
Chris of Zewe Posted September 17, 2005 Author Posted September 17, 2005 Compare the time frames, please, and then look up "justice."
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