Chris of Zewe Posted September 18, 2005 Author Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Sep 17 2005, 09:42 PM']give me an example of nothingness...........if you can.......then we will start talking about god not existing. [right][snapback]727940[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Nothingness? What? Why? Who? Blind, illogical faith is the easy way out that I was referring to, by the way.
infinitelord1 Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 09:50 PM']Nothingness? What? Why? Who? Blind, illogical faith is the easy way out that I was referring to, by the way. [right][snapback]727945[/snapback][/right] [/quote] since there is no proof of nothingness existing....you have no reason to believe in nothingness at all......furthermore you have no reason to believe in nothingness after death. Edited September 18, 2005 by infinitelord1
infinitelord1 Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 09:50 PM']Nothingness? What? Why? Who? Blind, illogical faith is the easy way out that I was referring to, by the way. [right][snapback]727945[/snapback][/right] [/quote] faith is not easy. Its very hard trust me. Havent you ever heard of someone struggling with their faith? You say you are happier now that you are an atheist.........wouldnt that be the easy way out?
Chris of Zewe Posted September 18, 2005 Author Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Sep 17 2005, 09:56 PM']faith is not easy. Its very hard trust me. Havent you ever heard of someone struggling with their faith? You say you are happier now that you are an atheist.........wouldnt that be the easy way out? [right][snapback]727952[/snapback][/right] [/quote] No. I long for a figure to place on a pedestal and worship, but my brilliance and grasp of reality prevent that. It hurts, you know?
infinitelord1 Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 this is the point where you are gonna take the easy way out.
infinitelord1 Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 09:57 PM']No. I long for a figure to place on a pedestal and worship, but my brilliance and grasp of reality prevent that. It hurts, you know? [right][snapback]727954[/snapback][/right] [/quote] so are you provoking people on this website saying the things that you are just to get an answer? Ive been there.
infinitelord1 Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 09:57 PM']No. I long for a figure to place on a pedestal and worship, but my brilliance and grasp of reality prevent that. It hurts, you know? [right][snapback]727954[/snapback][/right] [/quote] they say that god is no figure.......you cant place concrete, physical features to yahweh...........he is abstract.
infinitelord1 Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) Is there any specific thing that strayed you away from christianity? Feel free to Personal Message me about it if youd like. I may have an idea as to what it may be. Something had to have given you the urge to look for answers.......and to study about about religion and such. Edited September 18, 2005 by infinitelord1
philothea Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 17 2005, 05:05 PM']Intellectual exercise is too much punishment for a mindless troll to take. [right][snapback]727433[/snapback][/right] [/quote] How charitable.
Chris of Zewe Posted September 18, 2005 Author Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Sep 17 2005, 09:59 PM']so are you provoking people on this website saying the things that you are just to get an answer? Ive been there. [right][snapback]727958[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Coherent English = instant win. [quote]they say that god is no figure.......you cant place concrete, physical features to yahweh...........he is abstract.[/quote] See above. [quote] Is there any specific thing that strayed you away from christianity? Feel free to Personal Message me about it if youd like. I may have an idea as to what it may be. Something had to have given you the urge to look for answers.......and to study about about religion and such.[/quote] Actually no. In 4th grade art class, Monty Dillon explained to me that he did not believe in God. This concept was unthinkable to me, but it opened a lot of new thoughts. A year later, after I realized that it was possible not to believe in God, I abandoned the nonsense based loosely on a bit of logic, and I suppose an urge to rebel. Nonetheless, time went on, I learned many things, I tried out different religions, and even crawled back to Christianity a few times. None if it worked. My grasp of reality was too great for it. And now here I am.
infinitelord1 Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 10:20 PM']Coherent English = instant win. See above. Actually no. In 4th grade art class, Monty Dillon explained to me that he did not believe in God. This concept was unthinkable to me, but it opened a lot of new thoughts. A year later, after I realized that it was possible not to believe in God, I abandoned the nonsense based loosely on a bit of logic, and I suppose an urge to rebel. Nonetheless, time went on, I learned many things, I tried out different religions, and even crawled back to Christianity a few times. None if it worked. My grasp of reality was too great for it. And now here I am. [right][snapback]727980[/snapback][/right] [/quote] being in the 4th grade and making a logical decision? I dont think its possible. So now i know you are here to just cause mischeif. I will only talk to you on AIM.........my screen name is oberfeld21. I will ignore anything else that you post on this website....until you prove to me that you are serious.
Chris of Zewe Posted September 18, 2005 Author Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Sep 17 2005, 10:23 PM']being in the 4th grade and making a logical decision? I dont think its possible. So now i know you are here to just cause mischeif. I will only talk to you on AIM.........my screen name is oberfeld21. I will ignore anything else that you post on this website....until you prove to me that you are serious. [right][snapback]727991[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Funny kiddies.
infinitelord1 Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 10:29 PM']Funny kiddies. [right][snapback]728001[/snapback][/right] [/quote] If you would make a statement backed up by why (logically) you believe in such a thing then maybe we could make a discussion. Have it your way though.
Chris of Zewe Posted September 18, 2005 Author Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Sep 17 2005, 10:36 PM']If you would make a statement backed up by why (logically) you believe in such a thing then maybe we could make a discussion. Have it your way though. [right][snapback]728022[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Perfection contradicts itself, let's take it from there.
infinitelord1 Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 10:37 PM']Perfection contradicts itself, let's take it from there. [right][snapback]728026[/snapback][/right] [/quote] why do you say that?
Chris of Zewe Posted September 18, 2005 Author Posted September 18, 2005 In order to be truly perfect in every way (which is perfection), something would need to be perfectly good, perfectly evil, perfectly sweet, perfectly sour, perfectly A, perfectly -A. It can't happen.
infinitelord1 Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 10:42 PM']In order to be truly perfect in every way (which is perfection), something would need to be perfectly good, perfectly evil, perfectly sweet, perfectly sour, perfectly A, perfectly -A. It can't happen. [right][snapback]728040[/snapback][/right] [/quote] dont you think evil contradicts perfection? Perfect is used to describe something possitively. Evil is not possitive its negative. You dont use a possitive word to describe something that is negative. Edited September 18, 2005 by infinitelord1
infinitelord1 Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) evil is completely evil. i guess you cant really designate evil in any incrament.......i.e. partially, half, full, etc. Evil just is because god allowed it. He didnt create it........he allowed it. Are you having problems with the existence of evil? Edited September 18, 2005 by infinitelord1
Chris of Zewe Posted September 18, 2005 Author Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Sep 17 2005, 10:48 PM']dont you think evil contradicts perfection? Perfect is used to describe something possitively. Evil is not possitive its negative. You dont use a possitive word to describe something that is negative. [right][snapback]728057[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Aside from the fact that morals are completely relative, no, perfect is not. From dictionary.com: [quote]Pure; undiluted; unmixed[/quote] Mmkay?
Theoketos Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 [quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 10:42 PM']In order to be truly perfect in every way (which is perfection), something would need to be perfectly good, perfectly evil, perfectly sweet, perfectly sour, perfectly A, perfectly -A. It can't happen. [right][snapback]728040[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Evil is not a perfection, but a privation of perfection. So in a sense it would have to be totally without evil to be perfect. Congrats, you got it have right.
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