liberal cities

[theculturewarrior]

All of the places I can imagine myself living are very secular and liberal. But they have the best restuarants and libraries.

My top three are Burlington (Vermont),, Madison (Wisconsin), and Austin, (Texas).

I will get frostbite wherever I go! I'm not used to cold weather any more!

Why are all the good places to live liberal? Why can't Lubbock be like Austin?

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

i think all big cities are liberal.

[tojo]

Liberals are more willing to spend money on their cities.

[Nathan]

Frostbite in Austin, Texas? Try living in Toronto, Ontario pal! This morning it was a brisk 7 degrees.

It is true what you say about the "best" cities -- great libraries, restaurants, museums, theatres, nightlife, etc. -- being very liberal.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

all the big cities on the east coast are liberal.

[Aloysius]

it's a fact around the world that people that live in cities tend to be more liberal and people who live in rural areas tend to be more conservative.

there are many theories for why that is.

I would, howeve, like to debunk the myth above that cities are made better because liberals are willing to spend money on them. Pittsburgh was governed liberally right into the ground by its money spending

[Paladin D]

Cities tend to lean more toward the liberal end of the political spectrum, however, this doesn't mean though that everyone in that area is. Many cities come close to 50/50, and it's usually the liberal side that has a slight advantage.

I wouldn't worry about it.

Though not saying liberal is "bad", it just depends on what issues.

[theculturewarrior]

San Antonio is conservative, as is OKC. I would rather live in Vermont. So what if they have gay pride parades on a weekly basis. They have the best chocolate in the country!

[Nathan]

Honestly, my city's liberal status doesn't really have an effect on my life one way or the other. The only thing that gets on my nerves is the inordinate amount of sneering, "progressive" punks walking around sporting Che Guevara T-shirts.

[Lounge Daddy]

i always thought of Michigan as being a great study of large liberal vs large conservative cities
Grand Rapids on west mich, and detroit on east mich

look, its not that people are willing to spend money on thier city - its that they dont have a choice
we have state taxes, and "backdoor state taxes," and then city taxes and "local taxes"
the tax and spend situation, and the welfare -state that comes with it (or "nanny state" or whatever) and everything else - all the liberal policies have been hitting Detroit hard for years, and its getting worse despite recent efforts

meanwhile GR grows ...slowly

dont misunderstand, Michigan[i] is[/i] a blue state -- and with a liberal Governor from Canada, at that!
but with people fleeing the state of Michigan, like many other blue states - its not so noticable in Grand Rapids

[philothea]

Peoria (IL) is really conservative.

The library seemed nice to me, but I am hardly an expert. They have a big federal-government-sponsored business reference section which is pretty cool. (I'm more of a bookstore person really. Libraries want me to give the books back! )

Restaurants have improved a great deal over the last few years. And if you're desperate, Chicago is only a few hours away.

(And [i]their[/i] library STINKS. At least as far as I could tell by trying to use it.)

[theculturewarrior]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='Oct 9 2005, 02:12 AM']i always thought of Michigan as being a great study of large liberal vs large conservative cities
Grand Rapids on west mich, and detroit on east mich

look,  its not that people are willing to spend money on thier city - its that they dont have a choice
we have state taxes, and "backdoor state taxes," and then city taxes and "local taxes"
the tax and spend situation, and the  welfare -state that comes with it (or "nanny state" or whatever) and everything else - all the liberal policies have been hitting Detroit hard for years, and its getting worse despite recent efforts

meanwhile GR grows ...slowly

dont misunderstand, Michigan[i] is[/i] a blue state    --  and  with a liberal Governor from Canada, at that!
but with  people  fleeing the state of Michigan, like many other blue states -  its not so noticable in Grand Rapids 
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Honestly, if i do move, it will probably be to Houston or San Antonio. (I want to stay close to my family). Those two cities are relatively sane, and they have everything I would need.

[theculturewarrior]

You should see the libraries in Madison, WI!

[Nathan]

If you guys saw some of the libraries on the University of Toronto's St. George campus, you would drool. The John Kelly Library at St. Michael's College (run by the Basilians) is JAW-DROPPING. Four huge floors. I would estimate the number of books to be in the millions, easily -- primarily Church history, Scripture-related, theology, philosophy, saints, etc. The library at Regis College (run by the Jesuits) across the street is also excellent.

[zwergel88]

The only thing liberal about big cities is that they are liberal in the sense of being open minded. You can find all types in the city. Pittsburgh had some pretty hard core political rallies last year for both Kerry and Bush, and I've met many a pro-lilfe liberal like me around here. Within the city limits Pittsburgh like most big cities is definately democratic in it's political leanings however I don't think it's as horrible as you guys imagine.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Oct 8 2005, 06:50 PM']Cities tend to lean more toward the liberal end of the political spectrum, however, this doesn't mean though that everyone in that area is.  Many cities come close to 50/50, and it's usually the liberal side that has a slight advantage.

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It seems the liberals are just generally more vocal about what they think, meaning it's harder to find the conservatives.

[photosynthesis]

liberal doesn't necessarily mean anti-catholic or sinful.

but the secular liberal cities aren't going to get better if there are no conservative Catholics who are willing to live and work in them and participate in city life. maybe the liberal cities need you!

i had a really liberal upbringing, grew up in a liberal catholic parish with no crucifix and ended up at a liberal college. but i think it's good because now that i'm back in the church and conservative in my faith they can get a conservative perspective from me that they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. personally when I graduate I want to live in NYC or DC. or if i want to be depressed for the rest of my life i'll stay in baltimore. *sigh* oh, baltimore...how i loathe your public transportation system.

[Nathan]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Oct 9 2005, 11:40 AM']or if i want to be depressed for the rest of my life i'll stay in baltimore.  *sigh*  oh, baltimore...how i loathe your public transportation system.
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You should go downey ayshin, hon!

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='Nathan' date='Oct 9 2005, 01:48 PM']You should go downey ayshin, hon!
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hahahahaha!!!! bawlmore accents are hilarious. but i'm glad that i don't have one

[avemaria40]

I've always dreamed about living in New York City, New Orleans, Philadelphia and Los Angeles. But then again, I'm fiscally liberal and anti death penalty (although i'm conservative on more issues than i am liberal, like abortion and other moral issues, as well as having a strong defense system) :