DAF Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 Would saying "God is omnipitently good" be the right thing to say? I mean...he can't do things contrary to his nature, that being goodness...therefore, is He not omnipitent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 Is not a lack of omnipotence, but a higher form of freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Nov 9 2005, 05:13 PM']if He COULD make something that He COULDN't do, then He wouldn't be omnipotent.Thus, the only wway to affirm His omnipotence is to say He cannot do this. It would be doing something contrary to His own nature. Do you think that God's omnipotence means that He has the power to not be God? [right][snapback]784184[/snapback][/right] [/quote] OK, let me put it this way then. It is within His power to do such a thing. His nature is perfect, and thus he would not. By this nature, which is perfect, it is impossible that God would eventually do such a thing. Thus in the first sense, it is possible, since He is all powerful. In the second, though the first circumstance exsits, it is pushed aside by the second (His perfect nature) which pushes the possibility infinately asidce - hence making it impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 is it within God's power to make Himself not God? I say it is not within His power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 I think my post has been ignored again possibly because it is a bit too complicated. So, I shall state it again, hopefully more simply. God is not material; He has no demensions to constrain Him. A rock is material; it has demensions to constrain it. Something lacking demension, by it's nature, cannot have anything that is matter compared to it. That is, God has no material body, so his ability to do something does not truely have any limits. Therefore, a rock shall always be infinetly smaller than God, and therefore God cannot make a rock large enough that He cannot carry it, because matter and form are different and cannot be compared. Much like apples and oranges. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Now that's an interesting answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 I agree with that as well. My answer is more trying to explain to those who would say this limits his omnipotence. quite the contrary, to say He can do this would be to say He is not omnipotent-- to say He cannot do this would be to say He is omnipotent. though I like your answer, it leaves open one thing. could God make a spirit so large He couldn't move it? hehehe : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 This "paradox" is fallacious - God not being able to move the rock would be a limitation of power. It seems I read a thread some time back where some atheist was trying to actually use this as an argument against God! - LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 um question .... since when did rocks get that big? another one, who says God "lifts" things like humans do? (unless you mean Jesus of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Hey guys...... The reason that the answer is no, is because the first premise is a fallacy. The question is nonsensical. One of the things about our language is that we can say things that don't make sense. This doesn't call into question the omnipotence or omniscience of God, but rather the limitations of our knowledge of God. It is on the same plane as saying, "Can God make a 4 sided triangle?" or "Can God make a square circle?" The premise is flawed. The conclusion cannot follow, it is a logical impossiblity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 [quote name='Semalsia' date='Nov 9 2005, 05:06 PM']Well there you have it. Brother Adam has proved that there is no God. *runs away* [right][snapback]784173[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Naughty little atheist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 The fallacy? We are thinking of God in finite terms. God is not finite. He is infinite. Again, this speaks to our understanding or better yet, lack of understanding of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted November 10, 2005 Author Share Posted November 10, 2005 Wow. There are two new interesting answers to the question that I have never heard before, and more correct as well. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paphnutius Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 [quote name='Cam42' date='Nov 9 2005, 10:48 PM']The fallacy? We are thinking of God in finite terms. God is not finite. He is infinite. Again, this speaks to our understanding or better yet, lack of understanding of God. [right][snapback]784419[/snapback][/right] [/quote]Indeed, we can only know God through way of negation. Apophatic knowledge. What God is not, rather than what God is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 I'm onto your little game here, and this answer is the appropriate one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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